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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43502477

最近bps.org.uk上的一篇文章认为,耐心主要是一种应对机制,而非美德。然而,Hacker News的评论者们大多不同意这一观点。他们认为,将美德简化为其潜在机制忽略了其价值的重点。一位评论者用勇气和诚实作比喻来强调这一论点,指出美德能够带来积极的结果,例如更好的社会关系和深思熟虑的决定,而不管其心理基础如何。一些用户批评了这篇文章的方法论和结论,指出其依赖于主观问卷。他们认为,文章本身的发现——耐心与情绪感知、随和以及非冲动性相关——实际上支持了耐心是一种美德的观点,因为这些其他特质也被认为是美德。他们还认为,该文章暗示耐心是一种先天性特征而非后天培养的特征是错误的。


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Patience is a coping strategy, not a virtue (bps.org.uk)
9 points by domofutu 3 hours ago | hide | past | favorite | 6 comments










Reducing patience to a mere "coping mechanism" misses what makes virtues meaningful. The study doesn't debunk virtue; it just describes its mechanics. By this logic, we could reduce courage to "threat response management" or honesty to "cognitive consistency maintenance." The interesting finding isn't that patience has psychological underpinnings (of course it does), but that it functions primarily through emotion regulation rather than moral reasoning. Still, its moral value comes from what patient behavior enables: better social relations, more considered decisions, and recognition of values beyond immediate gratification. Mechanisms explain how virtues operate; they don't negate the virtues themselves.


Yeah having hard time agreeing with that article which even concludes that its maybe, who knows, but more study needed. All based on some questionnaires about things that are often hard to describe in a/b/c/d manner.

I have personally tons of patience, more than most people I know personally and professionally, and its one of the best assets to have in the toolbox. Why shouldn't it be a virtue? Even if we decide not, who actually cares about labeling. Life is simply better, reaching long term goals is much easier, one is more content if not outright happier (or happiness level overall is higher).



Yeah, doesn't look like this article is very good and has drawn it's own conclusions.

Reading the abstract of the paper, it doesn't mention virtue once. Unfortunately the paper is paywalled:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01461672241284028

It does say it's investigating:

"patience as a targeted form of emotion regulation"

Emotion regulation sure sounds like what a layman might describe as a virtue to me.



  Specifically, better scores on the measures of impulsivity, emotional awareness and flexibility, and also the personality trait of agreeableness were all linked to higher patience scores. But these results do suggest that patience is not so much virtue as a method to help us to deal with frustrations — and that some of us are better equipped to employ this coping mechanism than others.
The flaw in this argument is that non-impulsiveness, emotional awareness, and agreeableness are all considered virtues! And I really don’t like the implicit suggestion that impatient people are just born that way and patient people won the luck of the draw: I was far more impatient before I started getting mental health treatment.


Virtues are a coping strategy.


- Kindness is for the weak, winners are heartless.

- Courtesy is a symptom of dysentry.

- Empathy makes you look like a moron.

- Being decent to other humans is worse than Hitler.

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