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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43402622

Hacker News 上的一篇帖子讨论了大众汽车新的、更便宜的电动汽车,这款车使用了 Rivian 的软件。用户对“下一代”架构的技术细节感到好奇,一位评论者分享了 Rivian 新型电子架构的细节,该架构减少了电子控制单元 (ECU) 和线路。考虑到比亚迪的市场份额和价格优势,人们对大众汽车的美国市场策略表示担忧。一些人认为,与一些售价约 10000 美元的中国电动汽车相比,21500 美元并不算“超便宜”。讨论还涉及在欧洲和墨西哥销售的比亚迪汽车的安全标准,一些人指出,中国售价 10000 美元的电动汽车与在欧洲销售的 30000 美元车型不可同日而语,因为标准和规格不同。关税和税收可能是欧洲价格较高的原因。


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I find it amusing that VW software architecture is called Cariad, as that's Welsh for Love.


The article is light on technical details. Anyone have details on what this architecture is, and what makes it "next gen"?


Probably related: https://stories.rivian.com/meet-the-new-r1

> Our second generation R1 vehicles feature an entirely new electrical architecture and compute platform developed in-house by our hardware and software team. This significant update to our onboard computing system makes our vehicles more robust, less costly to produce and easier to service — all while improving the experience for our customers. Our new system also dramatically improves scalability for deployment in future vehicles.

> Core to the new system is a substantial reduction in the number of electronic control units (ECUs) used to control the vehicle, down from 17 different ECUs in our first generation to just seven ECUs in our second generation. This massive simplification has been achieved by shifting to a zonal architecture and by significantly increasing the computational capabilities of each of our ECUs. While infotainment, autonomy, vehicle access, drive units and our battery management system each have their own ECU, every other vehicle function is controlled by just three ECUs.

> Shifting to a zonal system enabled us to remove over 1.6 miles (2.6km) of wiring from each vehicle, shedding 44 lbs (20kg) of weight. This reduction in wiring, along with the elimination of 10 ECUs, greatly reduces production costs. Fewer components needing to be installed during assembly also improves manufacturing efficiency, allowing us to build vehicles more quickly and with better quality. With less components onboard, vehicles are easier to service and require us to stock fewer parts, improving serviceability.



VW has always had the chance to bring more than the ID.4 and Buzz to US/CAN for a more affordable EV but they've never really done it. With BYD taking on a huge customer base, it kind of begs the question who is this for?


Perhaps for those who would not like to buy cars from China.


Due to the Republican-backed tarrifs, people in the US may not be able to buy it for awhile, if ever.


Felt like a pr piece when the first line said “ultra cheap”. $21,500 is no ultra cheap when you compare it to vehicles like the Chinese made BYD brand some of which are $9700.

Yes it is nice to see prices come down but you are not going to convince me and millions of others that this is ultra cheap.



For the US market $21,500 would be quite cheap.


Agreed. I would trade in my current vehicle for this in a heartbeat if the topspeed was 100 and not 80.


If they did a hot hatch version I'd consider breaking my vow to never have a new car or payment again.


Where do you get these prices from? The cheapest BYD selling in Germany is 30k, as far as I can see. With a 20k vehicle launching sometime in 2025.


Do the BYD ones comply with European crash/safety standards?


Looks like 5 star ratings across the board for BYD vehicles on-sale in Europe https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ra...

Would not say these are ultra-cheap. There is probably a lot of "price that the market can sustain" going on here, rather than what it costs them to build the cars



Got me curious, I feel like it's cheaper to build a car that complies to global safety standards rather than make differing models for domestic (Chinese) and foreign markets.

At least they have 5 stars in the Euro NCAP assessment: https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/82666/euroncap-2023-byd-dolph...

And they're being sold in Mexico in N. America, for 358,800 pesos (1), which is $18,000!

(1) https://mexico.as.com/motor/byd-dolphin-mini-que-tiene-de-es...



Not to my knowledge, if you mean the models for the Chinese market. A 10k model in China is also vastly different from a 30k model in Europe. It’s quite an unfair comparison.


Tata punch EV does global ncap 5 star rating at around $10k


Quick googling showed the Tata Punch EV to cost between $15k-$19k. Afaik, the BYD Seagull is also targeting under 20k EUR in Europe, double the price in China. Might be tariffs.


Probably more to do with the fact that all cars, imported and produced within the EU, are taxed quite heavily.



BYD actually got the lower end of the EU tariffs, possibly because they co-operated with the EU or they got less government subsidies.


You can’t buy them in the US though. They might as well not exist.






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