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根据给定的材料,这些想法主要集中于为教育目的或新颖性创建棋子的替代、简化或图形表示。 虽然材料承认在学习国际象棋时了解规则相对简单,但这些概念旨在通过清晰的标签、箭头指针、突出显示的攻击区域或替代图形布局提供额外的指导。 然而,这个问题提出了一个合理的担忧,即这些修改可能会削弱一些爱好者的经典国际象棋体验的纯粹性或复杂性。 最终,实施这些概念的有效性和实用性取决于各种因素,例如受众人口统计、教育目标或目标人群。

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I still have a set which was sold as "Visual Chess", and you can still find it on eBay for example. The pieces were mostly like traditional design (but kind of "modernized" in 1960s style) but when viewed from the top (i.e. as you play), there was an indication of the allowed move. You can see some examples in the image link below.

Even the pawns had a nice design which clearly indicated that movement of one square forward (normally), or attacking on the diagonal, were both allowed.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Yx4AAOSwTY9i7XeC/s-l960.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AZUAAOSwuABi7XeE/s-l960.jpg



I had an updated version of this set (probably from the 90s?). Mine had a better board and I think the tops of the pieces were different, but the text/diagrams were identical:

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/c1ri78/t...

Not all of the moves were the clearest, but it was still handy while trying to learn.



It doesn't represent the "en passant" rule, nor the castling. :-)


Nor the "promotion" of a pawn that has marched across the board to begin a new life as... a pawn (or anything else that isn't a king -- this almost means a queen, but a promotion to knight can also be useful).

Displaying usual the moves on the pieces is certainly super-handy for beginners to understand the moves, but as you've pointed out: Chess also has other nuances.

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I was showing off one night and, at the tail end of an end game, and promoted a pawn to a pawn once it reached the far rank. It didn't really help in that game (although I can envision corner cases where it could be helpful as a blocker, but any other promotion is equally useful a blocker), but I had a move that I could afford to burn and it was fun to do so I did it.

It was a fun game. 10/10, did repeat other fun (and absurd) chess games.



Great! This will be excellent for beginners. I'm considering teaching chess to my kids. Can I still find it online? My searches on Amazon and Google haven't yielded the results I need.


I'm pretty sure this was the set I had from 1992: https://www.ebay.com/itm/134677808785?hash=item1f5b6c4691:g:...

There's a lot of other versions sold under "chess teacher", this seems to be the most modern: https://www.ebay.com/itm/266236564204?hash=item3dfcef92ec:g:...

It appears that it was originally sold as "The Educator": https://www.ebay.com/itm/325899664936?hash=item4be1223e28:g:...

Not affiliated with any of those and they probably aren't the best prices (just the first ones I found), but should give you enough to track one down.



That's the exact set I had. Worked pretty great for learning the game.






For me the most surprising observation from this thread is this tweet [1] showing that the knight's moves are exactly the squares that the queen can't get to within a 2 square manhattan distance.

I.e. the knight is an anti-queen.

[1]: https://twitter.com/skidbladnirr_/status/1750285122769957129



Some non-orthodox chess variants have a piece which combines Queen+Knight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_(chess)

very old variants often had such compound pieces like for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Acedrex



There's also the knook that combines the Knight and the Rook, which was hilariously invented as a meme on /r/anarchychess: https://anarchychess.fandom.com/wiki/Knook


Here's a whole page of chess variants, many of which include such invented pieces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_variants


Wherein the hex-knight is the anti-hex-queen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_chess#/media/File:Gl...



You mean a 2-square Chebyshev distance, I think (the Linf norm). A 2-square Manhattan distance (the L1 norm) wouldn't include any of the squares that a knight can get to.


For those that want a visual description there's a blog I serendipitous recently ran into[0]. If you're too lazy to open:

- n-square Chebyshev distance forms concentric squares around your starting point

- n-square Manhattan Distance forms diamonds (meaning up/down/left/right = 1 space away but all diagonals are 2 spaces away)

We could also say the Knight can go everywhere a queen can't in the 3-square Manhattan distance and this might be more useful since it is all points along that boundary except the corners! (We got an in the wild "2 problems in computer science" with an "off by 1" error :)

[0] https://chris3606.github.io/GoRogue/articles/grid_components...



That's very much a picture that you learn on the usual mathematics route of learning about these things, yes. More generally, there's a fair amount to be said about how you can derive shapes of unit balls from distance functions and vice versa (in functional analysis in particular).


I think, unfortunately, not many get visual descriptions when learning about these topics. To be fair, these visualizations can harm one's intuitions about how the metrics work in higher dimensions, so I can understand arguments against visualization. But in another example, I think even many people can come out of a Linear Algebra class and not understand that a matrix operating on a vector always performs an affine transformation on that vector (yes, I know we can abuse and get other forms but let's keep general due to context).

I think this is something math education can improve on since we are highly visual creatures. But it is always a tough balance since that same tool to help learning can decrease generalization if internalized improperly. But that can also be said about anything and is why I dislike the common test focused paradigm of education. As I think we've been doing it long enough that students have found studying for the test -- as opposed to study for learning -- is optimal. Goodhart always wins lol



> a matrix operating on a vector always performs an affine transformation on that vector

A simple matrix multiplication only performs a linear transformation. To get a nonlinear affine transformation you need to augment the matrix and vector with extra dimensions containing carefully selected extra ones and zeros in addition to the translation. The end result is still a linear transformation of the supplied vector, but looks like an affine transformation if you ignore the final dimension.

But yes, I did not pick that up in linear algebra. It wasn't even mentioned there. All the fun stuff was taught in computer graphics.





This is why in some rare endgames you might want to promote to a knight instead of a queen to avoid a stalemate!


I dont get it. Queen can do everything a knight can, and then some. How can electing a knight instead of queen can be of any usefulness?

Or do you mean it avoids stalemate by making it harder for the elector to defend/attack, and loose? I dont see any advantage there, isnt stalemate always preffered to loosing?



A knight can attack squares the queen cannot. There are positions that promoting to a knight is checkmate, but a queen would lose.


Chess would be a more elegant game without the stalemate rule.

(And apparently it would be a more _interesting_ game without castling. At least according to the game that the AIs at Deep Mind played when they trained them on this variant on a whim. Castling was supposed to speed up development of chess, but it favours the defense a lot.

So what the game's appeal wins from castling in cutting out some busy work moves, it loses in attacking spirit.)



Extremely strong disagree with this[1], and the obvious question that arises is what would you do if a side is in stalemate and there isn't a stalemate rule? Would the other side win? Would the stalemated side pass? Neither seems at all satisfactory.

The non-castling variant was invented by Vladimir Kramnik[2] explored by Deep Mind not on a whim but specifically as part of Vlad's exploration of whether this chess variant would help to revitalise the game given how computer evaluation has affected theory.[3] There were also a couple of no-castling tournaments played, but like chess960[4], opinions were very much divided about whether or not it was actually any kind of improvement.

[1] Even though I pretty much always fall into stalemate traps in blitz.

[2] Former world champion and lately old guy shouting at clouds about cheating

[3] https://www.chess.com/article/view/no-castling-chess-kramnik...

[4] https://lichess.org/variant/chess960



> what would you do if a side is in stalemate and there isn't a stalemate rule?

The game keeps going until one side gets too tired and gives up (or makes a mistake that breaks the stalemate).

Another idea would be a "Fortnite rule": after $X turns, the outermost edge of the board kills any pieces left in it (or becomes "the storm" in Fortnite parlance); repeat every $X turns until someone's forced into checkmate because there's only a 2×2 square left and nowhere else for the kings to go except within each others' attack range.



What do you mean the game keeps on going? One side has to move but has no legal moves.

That's what I was asking - do they get to "pass" and the other side gets to move? This is how it works in the game of go for instance. In chess that would be more or less equivalent to the non-stalemated player winning, because in many stalemate positions if you had an extra move you could checkmate.

The stalemate rule adds something that the attacking player has to keep in mind and gives the defending player something to shoot for - lots of creative and tricky play arises from this, with IM Eric Rosen being the most famous exponent[1] so much so that he now has a particular type of stalemate trap named after him.[2]

I'm not seriously entertaining your Fortnite rule. That is such a radical departure from the game of chess as not to be the same at all, so you could have that as a chess variant or whatever but it's fundamentally a different game.

[1] https://youtu.be/YB_LLivPlY8?si=dWl2bEAEeRmzhBiC

[2] Defending king in the corner with the opposing queen a knight's move away and no other legal moves for the defender. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/the-rosen-tra...



> forced into checkmate because there's only a 2×2 square left and nowhere else for the kings to go except within each others' attack range.

If the only two pieces left are kings, that is a stalemate. It is not even a legal move for two kings to come within one square of each other.



In that case the stalemated player has no moves. So you can't keep playing


To add to that, this also makes a knight and queen a very strong attacking combo, because they can uniquely cover the most squares.


Given... they stay... in the same... square?


There was a big discussion of this topic on chess stackexchange[1]. It used to be just universally believed to be true but some modern analysts challenge the idea.

[1] https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/27815/why-does-a-k...



In the image above, imagine a knight on H3, which covers g1, g5. Neither a bishop, a pawn or rook can help that way.

After one move, it can go to f4 where it can add on as a second attacker to the queen on 4 squares. After another move it can go to d3, where it can again cover squares the queen cant (e2,e5).

So I guess its both because it has a lot of alignment in doubling as an attack, and covering nearby squares the queen cannot.



I thought that was the main deal about knights...


In Chinese chess, the horse behaves like the knight in western chess except that (a) it cannot jump over pieces, and (b) the definition of jumping over is that it first move horizontally/vertically 1 step and then diagonally 1 step. It cannot first move diagonally.

This also leads to situations where two knights can be positioned amongst other pieces such that one knight is able to capture the other but not vice versa.



Most people think of the knight move as one straight and then one diagonal. However, this is still ambiguous. Imagine one up, then one down left for example, resulting in the square left to the original square. A better description is moving 2 squares straight, not diagonal, into one direction, then moving 1 square into a 90° turned direction.


Most people think of the knight moving 2 and then 1.


I was taught that a knight moves by going to the opposite corner of a 3x2 rectangle


Both western and Chinese chess knights move to the opposite corner of a 3x2 rectangle.

However in western chess, it doesn't matter what pieces are in the other 4 locations of the 3x2 rectangle.

In Chinese chess, you can only move from A to B if X is unoccupied. The locations marked "-" don't matter if they are occupied or not.

    A X -
    - - B

    A -
    X -
    - B

    - - B
    A X -

    - A
    - X
    B -
etc.

Of course, all the other pieces have their own rules as well, so it's a significantly different game. There is no queen, the elephant is sort of like a bishop but must move 2 squares at a time, the cannon moves horizontally and vertically but cannot kill without having exactly one (not zero) piece in-between, the "guards" and king all cannot leave the king's palace which is a 3x3 box, the pawns can move sideways after they cross the river in the middle of the board, etc. Come to think of it the only piece that has the exact same rules are the 2 "chariots" which are positioned in the same place as western rooks and function exactly like western rooks.



Chess players do, yet experience of basically any non-player I have ever heard describing it as "one straight, one diagonal" tells me otherwise. Also "moving two and then one" is ambiguous and would allow moving 3 squares into the same direction.


This probably _heavily_ depends on the country where you live.

I don't know people that think or thought that horses move "one straight, one diagonal".



I've always thought of it as an L


But you can do the same unambiguously if you are going to involve angles.

"Move one straight and then move one diagonal into a 135° turned direction."



Forward two steps and the knight falls off his horse.


But in Chinese chess, if the knight can't pass other pieces, thinking of it that way would be a rule change.


I have no source for this but that is the definition for a knight's valid moves, it goes where the queen cannot within that distance


The official definition, as per the FIDE laws of chess [1], article 3.6 is

"The knight may move to one of the squares nearest to that on which it stands but not on the same rank, file or diagonal."

[1] https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/LawsOfChess.pdf



That's a horrendously hard to parse definition. Couldn't they say "3 squares away but not on the same rank/file/diagonal" or something a bit easier?


Yup that's how they designed it in hexagonal chess: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagonal_chess#Rules

"the knight may move to any nearest cell not on an orthogonal or diagonal line on which it stands"



I'm not a master or anything, but I've always found it interesting that the queen is usually thought of as the most powerful piece while I think it's the knight.

Yeah the queen can move everywhere, but she's "predictable". The way a knight moves makes it more difficult to defend against IMO.



A huge difference is that a queen, like a rook, can attack a whole row and column, making it possible to box in an opponent's king. A knight has limited reach and can never attack a square the same colour as the one it is occupying.

Another is that a queen, like a rook, can reach any unblocked square in at most two moves. A Knight can require up to six moves!

Add to this the ability to move and attack diagonally like a bishop, but without the restriction of staying on the same colour of squares...

The queen is immensely powerful.



Knights are objectively nowhere near as powerful as queens. However they're underrated in blitz chess, where their visually hard to see moves often catch people unaware.

Even grandmasters fall for knight forks in blitz games quite often.



Knights are useful but are very much not as difficult to defend against as a queen.


I think this is fun, but

(a) knights' threats are disconnected and this "flower" approach while good is maybe not ideal. You might as well use a hollow circle at that point.

(b) when we say "chess pieces can be redesigned to be..." then I think about actual physical pieces, it would not do to make these as actual physical pieces because an accidental misplacement turns a rook into a bishop or vice versa. Gotta make the bishop look like it is "sniping" along the diagonals while the rook looks more "sweeping" maybe?

(c) don't make the king a little-queen. Make the king a little square to emphasize "it can only threaten the neighboring square," then it looks more visually distinctive.

The pawns are fun though.



I think I'd be inclined to disambiguate them by making the ends of the bishop pointed and the ends of the rook blunt. When moving along a diagonal you're moving in the direction of square corners, vs faces for moving in ranks and files, so it makes sense in that way, and it also evokes the shapes of the classical pieces.


>an accidental misplacement turns a rook into a bishop or vice versa

This was my first thought too. If the "feet" of all of the pieces were "flat", or parallel to the rows of the board, you could more easily tell their proper orientation.



Yes, the knight is up to 8 squares in a 5x5 grid. https://github.com/vezquex/chess/blob/master/src/game/piece/...


Unrelated, but I just realized the horse is not in fact called "horse" like it is in Italian/Spanish.


It is called "Springer" (translates to: jumper) in German. Sometimes "Pferd" or "Ross" is also used (translates to: horse and steed, resp.). That's why "Knight's tour" is called "Springerproblem" or "Rösselsprung" (from "Ross") in German.


It's been weird/amusing observing how different age groups at my local chess clubs call pieces and concepts. The older group very much stays to the local Dutch terminology for both while the younger group (presumably influenced by youtube) tends to mix Dutch piece names with English concepts. So you can have a koning (king) that is being "skewered" by a koningin (Queen) on the tweede (second) rank.


When I was younger, I always believed that the proper name was for the knight was "horse" (my primary language is English). I only figured it out when I was playing chess against my friend, and he was like, "horse? wth is that"


Or Dutch


A swastika shape would make sense for the knight.

I guess there is still a cultural aversion to its use, however.



A swastika would only cover half of a knight's legal moves.


A swastika?! Not quite, it's more like a cross: ꖅ


Speaking of swastikas, that's very close to an Iron Cross.

...anyway so people can see it better, that actual character is a pretty close representation of the knight's movement, it's just a little hard to tell the 2-then-1 distances: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%EA%96%85



I don't think (b) is really fair. You still call them "pieces" even if you are playing chess on a device/screen.


I also realized that if you defined the pieces like their moves, the knight's shape would be.... Interesting


Wouldn’t it look like four capital tees joined at opposites/right angles at the stem?


I mean, sorta? If you think about it as the "rules of the move," but the actual movement can be drawn as a straight line. See: https://twitter.com/graycrawford/status/1750248031784763639


Ahhh, yes, from that pov, yes totally!


Fun as it may be as a thought/UX experiment, I don't think it's a good design, because half-truth is usually the worst compromise.

This design doesn't account for many special qualities and behaviors pieces exhibit. It doesn't indicate that

* while pawns do capture diagonally (forward), they are pushed forward in straight line

* they can capture en passant

* they can move by 2 squares from their initial file, and only from the initial file

* they can be promoted to another piece

* Knight moves are not inhibited by the presence of other pieces (unlike any other piece, a Knight can "jump over" pieces)

* castling

* special status of the King (unless it's conveyed by that circle in the middle, but it's not nearly as readable a symbol as a crown)

So this design kind of works if you already have complete information from elsewhere, but isn't that great if it were your first source of info.

It also loses the poetic aesthetics of the traditional pieces, with queens and kings and bishops etc.



A piece-set like this would be great for starting chess, and variants. Especially when there are a lot of pieces and different promotions.


That is very clever!

But I hate the way the pawns face. Makes sense! But it still reads, to me, like one of those "color, but the text is in a different color" things. Feels like the pawns should be facing the opposite direction. =/



It's attack direction not movement direction. Pawns are the one piece where there is a difference and I'm not sure which is better ;-)


Catapart is aware, they're just saying it's unfortunate how it ends up looking.


Also, there's rochade/castling.


It is very clever, except accidental rotation can easily turn rooks into bishops and vice-versa.


Sounds like a fun variant, allowing that as a move... (Remicent of shogi).


You could put each piece on a square base that must remain aligned with the board.


Yeah, I wonder if it would be a slight improvement to combine move+capture.

So pawns would be

    /|\  /|\


    \|/  \|/

which looks less anti-directional.


Also visualizes en-passant in a better way.


It would make sense to have move and capture be different. Like square in front and two lines or points to the diagonal.


Same. I understand why they're like that but I can't see it any other way than: "Why are pawns going to move in the wrong direction?".


I think change out \/ for:

    ■ ■
     P
And the knight for:

     ■ ■
    ■   ■
      N  
    ■   ■
     ■ ■
       
And you might have something a little nicer


It would be interesting to do an experiment on people playing one another (online) with these pieces vs regular pieces (e.g. one player with a regular set and one player with this set). Because I do feel like I can visualize the state of the board more easily with this approach--but would that translate across people into better play, or is there some point where a more expert player (I don't play very often, though I enjoy playing and have played for years) has already internalized the mapping from piece shape to movement. But that said, it does feel like the difference between font styles in programming, which for me have a very meaningful impact over time.

Edit: Though good point to the parallel commenters, the knight shape is harder to differentiate and kind of throws me off. But maybe tweaks there.



If you're ever going to get the point where you recognize tactics (or anything, for that matter) on the board, how the pieces move must already be internalized and not require any thought. People even especially practice visualizing knight journeys between arbitrary squares to make this more automatic.

If you ask an experienced player to use a weird piece set, you will only be introducing error and cognitive overhead. If you ask someone naive to the game to use the piece set, do they internalize how the pieces move more quickly and get over the impedance when they start to use a normal set?

Going at a tangent to your idea, maybe it is possible to construct a set that aids the performance of a naive player, but which degrades the performance of a more experienced opponent. Could that handicap be as great as a club player offering pawn odds against a naive opponent?



Exactly this. Relatives have been trying to choose "fancy-looking" chess sets for me as a gift, and I always hated them. I don't want fancy pieces, I want the standard ones that don't give me cognitive overhead :-).

"Tournament chessboards" are my favourites, obviously.



I've gotten so used to 2D knights that it annoys me when people face them forward on a 3D board.


There are flat chess pieces that have the traditional 2D symbols on top. Another question is whether anyone makes 3D knight pieces that are designed to lay flat on the board. Such pieces would fit a "Godfather" themed chess set rather well...


Hell is filled with glass and ornate chess sets, I am convinced.


The knight shape does seem off. But it avoids the piece being a sun symbol / fascist tribute piece :-)


It shouldn't look like that, its two I's at 90 degrees: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEqoWAFXQAAPRXm?format=jpg&name=...


That knight looks like it's 12th century and he's heading to Jerusalem.


That's nice. Plus it solves the manufacturing issue if you try to turn this into a physical set (the current knight design is very thinly connected).


> has already internalized the mapping from piece shape to movement

Magnus Carlson, considered one of - if not the - best chess players of all time has a famous video of him playing three chess matches simultaneously, blindfolded, and winning all three.

Once you get to a certain point not only the movements but also entire gameplay strategies become internalized.



Not to mention the video where the board is presented in the "wrong" direction, so he enumerates to himself which squares the pieces are on, then closes his eyes so he can see the board clearer.


I thought this would be about redesigning their movement to make a new kind of game. But it's only the shape of the pieces.

That said, I'd use a square for the rooks so they don't get confused with the bishops as they get moved and maybe an L shape for the knights. It would definitely make it easy for beginners to learn how each piece moves.



> It would definitely make it easy for beginners to learn how each piece moves.

Which is more or less the easiest part of the game to learn, and one which pretty much anybody will have down after one or maybe two games.

It's a clever little idea to share on Twitter but in practice I think it would make the board slower to read for advanced players, because so many pieces look similar.



Exactly, this will reduce readability of a board. It's like highlighting the black key notes on sheet music. You think you're making it easier, but end up just adding too much redundant info and it clutters the page. Or like adding a ton of crufty comments to code ("// this is a loop that ... "). Or like adding a "fill these. with water" post-it notes on an icecube tray. Clever. But worse.


If each movement is broken into a piecemeal function, then a non-standard piece could be assembled, such as a piece that moves like a knight in 3 directions and a bishop northwest and southwest.


This idea has been around a long time.

Recognizing the pieces is the easiest part of chess. And distinct symbolic forms are actually easier than representational forms like these. Similarly, iconic phonetic notation not a good replacement for the Latin alphabet

https://www.omniglot.com/writing/visiblespeech.htm





I've built one with Lego.

https://www.lijf.org/chess/DSCF1392.jpeg> https://www.lijf.org/chess/DSCF2887.jpeg>



I have the 1924 Bauhaus chess set and it's the most beautiful thing I own.

Always loved how the shape and size of the pieces indicate their moves while still being simple and recognisable.



And it looks so much more reasonable, I would say


Except that this set describes the attack directions, not the motion directions. The difference is in the shape of the pawns. I think this one is quite interesting, as showing lines of threat.


The pawns felt like they were going backwards. Maybe if they had wee arrow heads.


Those peaces remain unreasonably expensive on Amazon, btw.


Peace has always come at a high cost. But if it's available on Amazon that still seems like progress.


Won't fix the typo just so others could enjoy your joke


Peace is dead; long live peace.


Good whittling project then.


So that's where the inspiration for BeOS/HaikuOS came from.

https://www.haiku-os.org/development/icon-guidelines/



This idea is common in Shogi piece designs for those who can't read the traditional Kanji designs.


Indeed! Googling "shogi learning set" finds these sets.


What I enjoy about this design is it exploits the correlation between piece value with the number of ways it can move, resulting in a visual intuition that more visually complex pieces are worth more on average. The knight is perhaps the frustrating exceptions to this.


Piece value is determined by how many squares it can threaten.

This is why rooks are worth 5 and bishops are worth 3, despite both having apparently equal freedom of movement (just rotated 45 degrees). The bishop will be able to access strictly fewer squares than the rook even in the best case, and usually much fewer. And the bishop is stuck on one color.



"This is why rooks are worth 5 and bishops are worth 3"

Such evaluations are only a rule of thumb intended for beginners.

It's all context dependent. There are positions where a Bishop is more powerful than a Rook. Other things being equal, Bishops tend to be preferred over Knights in serious play (especially when you've got a Bishop pair, which is synergically more powerful than one Bishop times two), even though both are theoretically "worth" 3 pawns. Two minor pieces are usually worth more than a Rook and a pawn, and more often than not it isn't a good idea to exchange the former for the latter, even though the total value appears the same (3+3 = 5+1). And so on.



At least at the level I play at, knights are invaluable because of their ability to jump over walls and threaten multiple pieces at the same time - they're the piece most likely to create a successful fork (threatening two pieces of value at the same time, likely forcing your opponent to pick which thing they're more willing to lose)


It’s interesting how people react to these designs. For me, I actually find them more confusing than the actual piece shapes, probably because I have the symbols of knight, rook, etc. burned into my mind from playing chess for thousands of hours as a kid. But it could also be because the geometric shapes are too abstract and lack character, which makes them harder to distinguish from each other.

It brings to mind the idea that everything is ultimately a representation, even the things designed to be as straightforward as possible.



Several years ago, I wrote a chess-like game where the shape of the pieces showed their potential moves (https://github.com/scottlilly/mogrichess). This was needed because the a capturing piece gained the movement abilities of the piece it could capture, so pieces' movement abilities were always changing.

Unfortunately, I never got around to writing a good AI so you could play against the computer. At some point, I'd like to get back to that project.



cf. Bernard Parham's "Matrix Notation", which uses the same shapes for pawns, bishops, rooks, and (almost) queens: https://www.thechessdrum.net/talkingdrum/TheMatrix/index.htm...


You can also design the pieces like humans that fight each other in long unskippable animations each time a piece is captured. (Does anyone remember Battle Chess?)


Pawns are awkward though because movement doesn't align with attack


Yup, the visually dominating pieces end up _feeling_ wrong. It'd really bother me tbh.


Learning all the possible moves and attacks in chess is the least difficult part of learning chess.


Ok, but the attack direction is the easiest part of chess to learn. I learnt the rules of chess as a child and despite having played less than 20 games in my life I remember them entirely, including things like en passant.


Why? By the time you have understood the game, you know the pieces. There are only six of them, after all.


As someone who has played a lot of chess I don't find this useful. I'm surprised how many people have positive responses to this.


Consider for a moment the billions of people who have not played a lot of chess. Seems like a cool teaching aid for youngsters especially.


Does it take anyone longer than a game or two to remember the rules of chess? I even taught chess to adults as a child and they caught on within a few moves. Which I guess explains why it remains more popular than FOTM overcomplicated board game #5000. It's not difficult to memorize. IMO this is a solution to a nonexistent problem.


Knowing the rules and 'seeing' the ways that pieces can move are different things. I could see this being helpful to someone who has a working knowledge of the ways pieces can move, but hasn't yet built their skill of visualization thereof.


So we should delay the development of their visualization skill, because otherwise visualization is useless in chess? This works literally against what chess is about and materializes the least complex aspect of the game into a visual noise all over the board.


This would be awesome for teaching beginners.

I'd probably go with circle for the king, and maybe an L or a sideways H for the knight, even though they break the original design rule. Otherwise K/Q/N just look too similar.



I have an overgrown dice pip renderer, so I made the rook "+", knight "L", bishop 4-gram, queen 8-gram, king octagon, and pawn a trapezoid (just to suggest movement direction). https://vezquex.github.io/clock/chess/


Learning the movement is by far the easiest part of teaching beginners. It's fine as a design exercise, but its effect in making it easier to learn is close to null.


Agreed. Love the concept, but the knights definitely need clarity.


The L is an orthogonalist conspiracy theory. There's no right angles in the knight's movement, wake up sheeple!

https://twitter.com/graycrawford/status/1750248031784763639



Knight's movement is a "Γ" "Gamma" not an L. Some day a brilliant game may pop up, which has several letters and try to match em together, like an L, a Γ, an I and so on.


+1 for making the knights an L. The way it is, the pawns sort of look like knights


Interesting, it seems like we can "dissect" each piece into independent properties like possible directions and possible distances. Then one could generate chess set spaces randomly and have a lot of fun.




Off topic, but does anyone know a browser extension that lets you block certain domains from the HN list? I've blocked twitter/x from my DNS, and don't want links to it cluttering the feed.


I'm not aware of one, but if you can insert custom css rules it should be simple with something like

    tbody tr.athing:has(.title .titleline a[href*="twitter.com"]),
    tbody tr.athing:has(.title .titleline a[href*="twitter.com"]) + tr,
    tbody tr.athing:has(.title .titleline a[href\*="twitter.com"]) + tr + tr
    {
        display: none;
    }
This selects for any `tr` which has an anchor to a url with twitter.com somewhere in it (with some layers in between) and the two `tr` which follow. Note that this is pretty naive and could have some false positives with links such as https://example.com/blog/a-post-about-twitter.com and such, you could be more careful with the attribute selector if you'd like

This will leave "holes" in the numbering of the list of items as the numbers are not calculated based on the structure of the document but are rather hardcoded. You could definitely fix this with some more funky css rules if needed.



I would think you could automatically load the first match's "hide" URL until no more matches appear in the page, but it might trip some kind of rate limiter.


Perfect thank you.


Pay/login-walled sites are common here.


That is... not why I blocked it.


Cool idea! Something about this makes me think about chaining moves, like function calls. Is there a version of chess where you get to keep moving if you take a piece?


Lichess also includes a piece set similar to this, although with the notable difference that the Knight is shaped like a greater-than symbol and the pawn is a small square.


In a sense, chess pieces can already perceived as geometric attack directions. After too much chess I feel frightened by the salt shaker.


They already look like this. Stop tweeting and go start a business!


Already as in yes, the moves are baked in to the standard design -- you just look down at them from the top.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/79/75/8a/79758a3355c2bed372aa...

Yes, queen already had 8 point hat wide because whole board, king eight point cross, small for one step.

Bishop has a diagonal cut in its cap.

Knight as a horse, the long nose and ears are the knight move.

Castle with a plus cut in the ramparts.

Pawn is a dot for its usual move, with the ring collar for the optional second step.



Yea


I first saw something like this on lishogi (lichess for shogi)


I've wanted to see something like those scope beams, another idea is each square on the board could change colour by how many pieces can "see" it.


I've been wanting the same exact thing! I think for beginners (and mediocre players like myself) it would help a lot to prevent blunders. Being able to visualize the squares attacked by the knight would be especially useful.

I've thought about having the squares show light shades of primary colors so you could see which side is attacking a square, and the composite colors would highlight contested ones, darker shades would mean more attackers. Like red/blue/purple or yellow/red/orange.



As a fellow mediocre player, my sense is that the best way to prevent blunders is to slow down and enumerate the possibilities. Sure, tools will help, just like having the computer suggest the three best lines will help, but it kind of defeats the purpose of trying to be good at the game. If you're frustrated by missing something that you feel you should have seen, slow down and see it next time.


I kind of wish the knight was more of a tetris L, but I like the idea overall


8 squares or 8 Ls to show all liberties. One L symbolically.


I hardly even play chess, but I do know the rules and how the pieces move, but this wrecks my intuitive sense of how the pieces move entirely, so I think it’d be a hard transition to regular pieces, which kind of kills any supposed benefit.


Gave up on the knights i see.


Pawns are missing a rear view mirror for en passant


Looks like the peices from the game Ploy. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1591/ploy


Nice :-) I might make the King round though. Set it apart more.


It would be fun to make up a physical version with lasers and a fog machine.


In the meantime there is Khet board game: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khet_(game) - fog machine not included.


Do you need fog if lasers aiming at the board?


If made into a physical set, I could see the bishops and rooks getting confused


Maybe it's just the top down view, but the white king and queen are practically indistinguishable to me.


This is not a new idea.


Yea this is the basic premise of chess …


I had a similar idea: https://imgur.com/a/MccC29V


I don't know what it was but within 0.5 seconds of looking at the first image my brain had a weird feeling of calmed peace.

Very odd.



It's a good idea but looks a bit too bland for my taste, I think a bit more spiky would be better, so based on this I made such a concept:

https://i.imgur.com/mXd0L3P.png (also blue-vs-red, to give it a bit of color)

Non-colored version: https://i.imgur.com/A1Vofpz.png



I like it, but the knights still aren't quite right. And I'd probably give all of them square bases, so that the bishop and rooks weren't so easily mistakable with just a 45° turn.


What I find funny about chess it's such an elegantly designed game... except castling. Always seemed like a random thing to me to be in the game, and then I found out that it was added centuries after in medieval europe to the game, makes sense why it feels so out of place.

Wish we had a league without castling for that sole purpose.



I prefer this: https://www.moma.org/collection/works/4746

The pieces resemble the movements in most cases, but also pack together into a rectangle.



> The pieces resemble the movements in most cases

I don't see it. Do they really?



The ones with square tops only move horizontally/vertically and the bigger ones move further, the ones with an L-shaped top move in an L shape, the ones with a diagonal top move diagonally. I don't see the King and Queen movements though.


Right, the king and Queen could maybe have 4 or 8 pointy corners instead of just a V, but the other pieces 'mimic' their movement in a sense.


a theme for chess.com would be nice !!

Lovely communicative design



It sure got knight wrong. But then again if done right it would look like swastika ;)


If you take half of its possible moves away then yes


Now do 3d chess!


the rook and bishop are the same shapes tho


This is cool! The major online chess sites should add this as an option.

The lines don't need to be so thick I think, which would allow little arrow heads to make it even more obvious. And while we're at it, they don't even need to look like actual physical pieces, so the knight could be designed to show how it hops over squares by having blank spots in its icon.



Curious about the second tweet: are they typically called “liberties” in chess or is that borrowed from Go?


Its not a chess term.


This is fantastic, I would love to try playing a game with these pieces. I think this could improve accessibility and also make the game less intimidating for newcomers.


isn't this idea about as trivial as it is useless? i can maybe see the appeal as a special edition for elderly homes or hospitals where people with brain injuries are treated but for a healthy person? learning a few rules? how about a simple cheat sheet squiggled on a piece of paper next to the board?






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