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根据给定的材料,以下是一些见解和分析,可以帮助解释所提出的一些主题和想法: 1。 在技术、创意和娱乐行业表现出色的个人似乎存在一种在个人生活中存在重大缺陷的趋势。 特别是约翰·拉塞特 (John Lasseter),他是 BSD 徽标的共同创作者,为皮克斯和迪士尼工作室执导了几部广受好评的动画长片,并担任两家公司的首席创意官,直到他因性行为不端指控而突然离职,他似乎是一名主要人物。 例子。 评论中的一些人表示,这种趋势引发了人们的疑问,即这些人物的成就与他们对他人造成的伤害相比,应获得多少荣誉,这可能指向对英雄崇拜文化的批评。 然而,其他人则认为,将个人的艺术作品与他们在该领域之外进行的有问题的行为分开可能最终会导致创作者缺乏问责制和责任,从而导致某些部门的有毒行为模式。 2。 在各个领域,尤其是知名组织中,另一种反复出现的模式似乎涉及利用权力动态以及对潜在受害者或举报人的支持或压制。 以微软公司创始人比尔·盖茨为例,根据彭博社 2022 年的榜单,微软公司的净资产目前约为 1300 亿美元,有报道称,他在早年担任微软公司期间,面临着众多涉及多名员工(尤其是女性员工)待遇不佳的指控。 微软公司首席执行官,有关他与被定罪的恋童癖者杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的关系的谣言仍然时不时地浮出水面。 相比之下,据此前出版物引用的消息来源称,曾执导《回到未来》(1985) 和《阿甘正传》(1994) 等电影的华特迪士尼影业前首席执行官罗伯特·泽米吉斯据报道曾对多人发生不受欢迎的浪漫行为。 。 与此同时,曾执导过《拯救大兵瑞恩》(2002 年)和《侏罗纪公园》(1993 年)等经典影片的传奇电影制片人史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格据称未能解决针对一名少女的猥亵和法定强奸指控,尽管他获得了大量经济赔偿以保护她的身份 and deter her lawyers from probing into the issue further。 这些例子暗示了有关强大机构的问责制以及跨地区处理此类情况的更大问题。

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Some additional context: the editor of the manual was Sam Leffler, who was a coworker of Lasseter at Lucasfilm at the time.

> The later, more popular versions of the BSD Daemon were drawn by animation director John Lasseter beginning with an early greyscale drawing on the cover of the Unix System Manager's Manual published in 1984 by USENIX for 4.2BSD.[7] Its author/editor Sam Leffler (who had been a technical staff member at CSRG) and Lasseter were both employees of Lucasfilm at the time. About four years after this Lasseter drew his widely known take on the BSD Daemon for the cover of McKusick's co-authored 1988 book, The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD Operating System.[8] Lasseter drew a somewhat lesser-known running BSD Daemon for the 4.4BSD version of the book in 1994.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon



Is there a connection between Sam Leffler the BSD contributor at Lucasfilm/Pixar and BSD as the basis for NeXTSTEP/OS X at NeXT/Apple?

As far as I can tell, there is no direct connection. Sam Leffler contributed most to the 4.1BSD and 4.2BSD while at Berkeley [1], while NeXTSTEP was based on Mach which was based on 4.2BSD and developed by Richard Rashid and Avie Tevanian at Carnegie Mellon [2].

Perhaps the indirect connection is that, before Linux, BSD was the natural choice for an open-source UNIX derivative, and Steve Jobs had an instinct for seeking out the leading edges of computing at the time.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_J._Leffler

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_(kernel)#Development



I'd say before the UNIX lawsuit[1] of April 1992, BSD was the natural choice for a UNIX derivative . This lawsuit delayed the release of 4.4BSD, and since Linux was from scratch, it had no cloud of legal uncertainty.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories%2C_In....



Imagine what the world would look like if BSD became the dominant OS instead of Linux.


Well, we’d be rebuilding it a lot.


Well, Steve Jobs did buy Pixar from Lucas.


Do you know where to find the lesser known running version mentioned in this excerpt?


Slightly different but OpenBSD does a good job of finding artists, for example the artwork for 6.5 and 6.6 was drawn by Natasha Allegri of Adventure Time and Bee and PuppyCat

https://www.openbsd.org/66.html



They also designed probably the best t-shirt art for an OS release, no longer available, sadly.

https://www.openbsd.org/tshirts.html#47

https://twitter.com/natazilla/status/1187896621045956608



Oh man I was just thinking that would make an awesome t-shirt, wish it was still available.


If you're willing to play in the darker shades or gray, there are plenty of websites that will print up posters/t-shirts/etc of any image you upload to them. Even as one offs. JIT of swag is a real thing now


I keep hearing more and more about OpenBSD. Lots of people including John Carmack, browse the source code and have nothing but good things to say about it. It's made me very curious to look at it myself


I run OpenBSD on my laptop. I love it, but I would recommend that beginners read some warnings on the label.

First, you will not have bluetooth. Second, it is slow in ways that will matter. As in, you will feel it, but not be annoyed by it (Especially with a web browser). Third, KDE plasma support is a work in progress (read: most people do not get KDE plasma on an OpenBSD installation today, although it won't stay like this forever).

With these disclaimers out of the way, I can heartily encourage it. I love having an operating system that I can trust. Things work, things are well doccumented and things are very very clean.



That's a fair assessment. One more thing I would add is that things you can frequently get working on FreeBSD (like JetBrains IDEs) might be significantly more challenging (or impossible) on an OpenBSD desktop.

I'm a long-time fan of OpenBSD (I started using it in 1999) and I strongly second reading the warnings on the label.



I was surprised how well it works in a lot of ways on my laptop (Thinkpad E585 with an aftermarket Intel wireless card). I will agree with the slowness, and I have managed to make it freeze once or twice, and fail to suspend properly quite a few times.

But in terms of "the Wi-fi actually worked without pulling teeth" it was streets ahead of both FreeBSD and Debian.



I’ve played around with FreeBSD before and have a WiFi dongle from when I put it on an RPI. I have an old X220 for these type of experiments, but I appreciate the warning


OpenBSD runs fine on my X220i, and its Intel WiFi (iwn) is supported. But, the firmware has to be downloaded separately, so you either have to copy the firmware onto a USB drive and run fw_update after installation, or plug in Ethernet before installing, and it'll download the firmware automatically after the first boot.


why is the latest release seemingly the only one without a release "song"?


Man that's some pretty badass BSD artwork too.




Damn that’s legit. Anyone know if I can just tip the artist and print it myself?


Shoutout to Bee and Puppycat as well, of which the entire first season is freely available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2DcNkn8HAwQLcXTiDB87...


Note that this is very different than the first season on Netflix fwiw. Both are great though!


And Debian releases are named for Toy Story characters.


Bruce Perens, a major figure in Debian Linux, worked at Pixar for years. He was my officemate for a while when I was there in the late 90s.


I had the opportunity to visit Pixars office at Emeryville 20 years ago. Loved the garden shed offices!


The espresso milkshakes at Rudy's Can't Fail Cafe--well, the food is fine, but the shakes are glorious.


The only release I knew by name was Woody, but for others curious, here's a page with the releases names listed:

https://www.debian.org/releases/

I love the homages/easter eggs in the *nix world



Wheezy stuck in my mind. Good to finally know how it came to be! Funny that Wheezy is a penguin!


Yeah, Wheezy does sound familiar as well. I ran a Woody server in a co-lo for a personal side hustle, so I was familiar with it. After that, work took me into the RHEL realm with lots of CentOS with much less interesting names like 5, 6, 7.


Jeez, I never could draw the connection between those Debian names and Toy Story characters. Till now. Thank you. TIL!


Now we're getting more tangential, but for years, Ansible releases were named for Van Halen songs (see old Changelog here: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/v1.8.4/CHANGELOG.md)


And R releases are named after (often obscure) quotes from the comic strip Peanuts (current release "Eggshell Igloo")


Sid, the unstable build, is named for the child antagonist in Toy Story.


And Debian itself is a combination of Deb and Ian, Deb being Ian's partner at the time.

Deb broke up with Ian and then Ian had a tragic end. It is a name surrounded by tragedy.



Not really related but the artist behind the Go(lang) mascot is Renee French [0] who also did Grit Bath [1]. She happens to be married to Rob Pike, so I assume that had something to do with it.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_French

[1] https://www.abebooks.com/comics/GRIT-BATH-Nos-1-3-French-Ren...



She also created Glenda the Plan 9 Bunny: https://9p.io/plan9/glenda.html


I always thought that gopher had a weird creepy vibe, so I guess I’m not surprised at the artist’s other work.


Here's the book with the John Lassetter cover if anyone wants it: https://www.amazon.com/Design-Implementation-UNIX-Operating-...

There's a "Used - Good" quality one for $4.



Anyone else think about the connection between OSX, Jobs, Pixar, etc....seems like the elite of the tech revolution all were neighbours as usual with industry control


There was a center of excellence and a lot of innovation by a relatively small industry at the time.


So much control that you could get industry quality level OSes for free or by the cost of the CD's:

-FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, GNU/Linux with slackware CD's...

This is like getting avionics industry manuals and hardware for free and with a press of a button you could get a self-assembled UFO with an antigravity field by half the price of a car.



A few weeks ago I saw a food truck using the old Lasseter FreeBSD beastie logo in southern California. Here's their Instagram with the logo prominently displayed in multiple places.

https://www.instagram.com/aguasfrescaslupita

The truck I saw has him maybe 4 feet tall on the left hand side: https://9ol.es/tmp/PXL_20240110_021538249.jpg

We should invite them to like, a linux conference or something. They'd be very popular.



Well, good thing it's BSD licensed! Open Source for the yummy win!


OP here. If any historians would like to see details from any other parts of this set, just ask.


There are plenty of things that I like to think I could probably turn my hand to and make a passable job of if I had to, but Illustration is not one of them. I would love to have to ability to visualise something and make it appear on paper like that, but no matter how hard I try I never will. The character and expression put into something that was probably a 30 minute sketch is quite amazing!


I love these materialized manuals. Do we still have them for the modern enterprise *nix operating systems such as Redhat and such?


wow that is actually pretty cool, i wonder what other instances of thought leaders criss crossed to a different industry like that


I nice coincidence is that Stewart Brand, who later went on to found the Whole Earth Review and other counterculture icons, was the camera man running the camera at Douglas Engelbart's famous Mother of All Demo demo in 1968 in San Francisco.


Alton Brown (celebrity chef, TV host, etc), was the cinematographer for the video for R.E.M.s “The One I Love”.

Gary Fisher (Fisher Mountain Bikes) had worked light shows for the Grateful Dead and went on to make an officially sanctioned Grateful Dead bicycle[0][1] with proper artwork.

[0] https://www.dead.net/fanphotos/gd-bike-poster

[1] https://forums.bikeride.com/thread-8750.html



Gary Fisher is a literal forefather of mountain biking. "Fisher Mountain Bikes" predecessor was just called "MountainBikes," because "mountain biking" wasn't a thing when they started.


A favorite instance of mine is Rolly Crump, who did a lot of design work for Disney theme parks but also created the iconic branding for Ernie Ball guitar strings.


Rolly! My dad worked with him at AVG where Rolly would consult in his post disney career, he art directed the LazerMaze that was a mall attraction IR gun robot shooting gallery you would walk through installed a bunch of places, Edmonton Mall, Sherman Oaks Galleria, Six Flags Magic Mountain, san diego boardwalk and a bunch of places. . https://bestedmontonmall.com/2021/01/25/lazer-maze/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU3g6wvk5jQ I think we may have the only parts of the thing left. It used an s100 bus computer with a custom designed audio adpcm board. Rolly designed the robots and the never built robot queen, before he passed I asked if he had any art left but sadly no.


"Lassetter wasn’t the first to draw this, but his version became the most popular." (FTA)


Phil Foglio (Girl Genius, Buck GoDot, etc) had drawn the first version prior to Lasseter's


And some great card art from the "let's not take this too seriously" era of Magic the Gathering.


Wow, really? That's amazing. I wonder if Foglio was ever actually a BSD user.

I have a soft spot in my heart for Foglio's early work, like "What's New with Phil & Dixie" from Dragon magazine and his adaptation of Myth Adventures. I'm particularly fond of The Winslow[1]. Sadly, nobody I know has ever read more than a few Phil & Dixie cartoons and I just get weird looks if I talk about The Winslow.

[1] https://comicvine.gamespot.com/winslow/4005-31428/



Foglio's drawing was for UNIX, a couple years before the first BSD releases. Unfortunately the original was lost, and the best you can find online now are just photos of t-shirts like https://www.mckusick.com/beastie/jpg/foglio.jpg


Greg Lehey records some relevant history of the daemon logo prior to Lasseter's cover (along with a classic daemon t-shirt story) at http://www.lemis.com/grog/whyadaemon.html.


Still bugs me FreeBSD replaced Beastie, the reasoning always seemed silly to me. I'm hoping they'll go back to him on the next refresh (which is long overdue IMO).


I get why they changed it, but they could have come up with something better than a horned yoga ball to replace it with.


No really related, but I wish there was a NixBSD. Would switch immediately.




yet another misogynist corrupt weirdo at the heart of open source, computing, and film.

and he gets praised for drawing "a version" of something that someone else created. ohhh the irony.



"The Director of 'Toy Story'" is a pretty understated way to refer to John Lasseter [0], who effectively headed up all the Pixar projects (on the creative side) from the beginning of the company, and directed 5 of their films.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lasseter



He had won his first Oscar for the animated short Tin Toy in 1989, and had been nominated for Luxo Jr. a couple years prior. I first read about him and Pixar in an article about that those in a electronics magazine back then. What I read about had a profound impact on me, making me want to learn how to program computer graphics.


Ok, we've put John Lasseter up there now.


I knew him through his introduction to the English version of Studio Ghibli’s Spirited Away :)


John Lasseter is a creep who was ousted from Pixar after a long history of sexually harassing employees: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/john-las...


Equally relevant: the subject of that logo—the devil—is also a very bad person. Makes you wonder, did he draw that devil because he's such a bad person? Was he planning it all along?


I don't see how that's relevant.


He is an incredibly talented director and storyteller. I can understand why his well documented history of sexual misconduct may not feel relevant. Apparently, the situation was so bad that Disney assigned a "minder" to him to keep him out of trouble.

On the other hand, his great creative talent should not diminish the fact that he was a creep of a boss if you happened to be female.

He's a complex person. If we want to talk about the great things he has done, I think we should also remind ourselves of the bad stuff.



I'm not sure I agree with that last part. He drew the BSD logo. I don't need to audit his failings and indiscretions to note that that's an interesting factoid.


People in the thread are dropping all kinds of trivia about Pixar and BSD but possibly the biggest news about the subject of the article in the last 5 years is that he was ousted from his role at Pixar for sexual harassment. Feels relevant.


It is interesting how the creations we cherish as a society become separate from the creator. Not even a creator's misconduct can reappropriate the art from society.


“To reveal art and conceal the artist is art’s aim." ― Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray


"Oh, this from the posing somdomite" - Wilde's contemporaries.


"The truth is rarely pure and never simple." - The Importance of Being Earnest


I assume you refuse to use gcc, emacs, etc. because of their creator, refuse to use JavaScript anywhere on the web, never take an Uber etc.?

Or is it just the cases where it's convenient to virtue signal?

I also find it ironic that you posted a Steve Jobs quote in a comment recently...



Is this about Stallman? I don't consider him to have done anything wrong, and so yes I sure do use gcc, and do at least prefer as little js as possible though I simply have no control over that, and in fact never use uber, and specifically because of the company, even though it would be convenient.

Of course you can't do any of this 100% because the world is interconnected and interdependent and countless infinite things are indirect.

But so what? You can still care and still try and still exert your own one-persons share of influence, even if it's only avoiding Amazon when you can, instead of just buying everything through them.

That is worth doing and 100% better than not caring and not bothering, and the value isn't invalidated by being impossible to be absolute.



Steve Jobs was a control freak, a narcissist (for at least his early years), colluded to drive software developer wages down, and treated his adopted(?) daughter poorly, yet we don't seem to need to talk about that every time his name comes up.

Bill Gates apparently had some connection to Jeffrey Epstein that made his wife uncomfortable enough to divorce him, yet we didn't need to bring that up when his book review got posted yesterday.

Maybe we can celebrate and enjoy the good things about a person without needing to continually shame them for the bad things.



There's also Andy Rubin. I think the difference is that Jobs and Gates are such huge cultural icons that we already know about their misdeeds- and in Gates' case he has become a new type of supervillain for a new generation- while Lasseter's are less known.


What? Those all get brought up fairly often, and comparing a narcissistic controlling personality to sexual harrassment is not super useful imo. But agreed that we should talk more about bill gates and Epstein, because as you said if his wife left him for it there ought to be something to that story.


If you're going to throw shade like that, at least get it right. He wasn't working at Pixar anymore, he was the head of all of Disney Animation, which included Pixar.


You are half right. He was chief creative officer at both Walt Disney and Pixar Animation at the time he went on leave.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/11/21/d...



That isn't what the article you linked says. It continually starts suggesting that, and then rows back to say it's not what actually happened.

Interesting that you can't spot these things.



He's been credibly accused by many people, it's an open secret in the industry, and he took a 6 month leave of absence and then never came back and started a new studio. Oh and he publicly acknowledged unspecified "missteps".

For someone who's had so many successful movies you'd think they'd defend him to the hilt if he was innocent?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/john-las...



> For someone who's had so many successful movies you'd think they'd defend him to the hilt if he was innocent?

You could make the same argument about Fatty Arbuckle, who was falsely accused of rape and manslaughter in the 1920’s and completely blacklisted from Hollywood despite probably being completely innocent. I don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other about Lasseter but these things are driven by Hollywood politics more than anything. Just look at how long they kept supporting Roman Polanski.







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