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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43926029

这篇 Hacker News 讨论串探讨了机器学习中处理数据不平衡的技术,起因是一篇关于类别权重有效性(或无效性)的文章。几位评论者就评估不平衡场景下模型的最佳指标展开了辩论。lamename 建议使用 Matthews 相关系数 (MCC) 作为稳健、平衡的指标。klysm 指出 MCC 也很好地推广到多类别问题。andersource 指出在他们的实验中,MCC 的性能与 F1 分数相似。讨论涉及到不平衡学习的实际考虑,bbstats 强调了预测数据分布变化的重要性。gitroom 指出选择合适的指标和内在权衡的难度。ipunchghosts 总结说,原文发现类别权重和分层抽样对作者的特定问题无效。最后,zai_nabasif1234 简要解释了不平衡学习和类别加权,包括过采样、欠采样和 SMOTE。

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    Adventures in Imbalanced Learning and Class Weight (andersource.dev)
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    Nice writeup. F1, balanced accuracy, etc. In truth it depends on your problem and what a practical "best" solution is, especially in imbalanced scenarios, but Matthews Correlation Coefficient (MCC) is probably the best comprehensive and balanced blind go-to metric, because it guarantees that more portions of the confusion matrix are good [0,1].

    I made a quick interactive, graphical exploration to demonstrate this in python [2].

    [0]: https://biodatamining.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13...

    [1]: https://biodatamining.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13...

    [2]: https://www.glidergrid.xyz/post-archive/understanding-the-ro...



    MCC also generalizes to multi-class well. I wish it had a better name though. It seems like F1 score has better marketing


    Really neat visualization! And thanks for the tip on MCC.

    Out of curiosity I plugged it to the same visualization (performance vs. class weight when optimized with BCE) and it behaves similar to F1, i.e. best without weighting.



    The only thing that matters is your estimation of how the balance will change out of distribution or with future data etc


    Insane how tricky imbalanced stuff gets- I always end up second guessing my metrics tbh. You think there's ever such thing as a "right" number for real world junk or is it just endless tradeoffs?


    Yeah it gets tricky. I think eventually it has to be about tradeoffs - no ML system can be 100% correct. I do think there's a "right" decision (up to a point) in the context of the product or business.


    I read the article and the take away is that class weights and stratified sampling did not help for the OPs problem.


    [5/11, 1:41 PM] Meta AI: Imbalanced learning refers to the challenge of training machine learning models on datasets where the classes are not represented equally. This can lead to biased models that perform well on the majority class but poorly on the minority class.

    Class Weight Class weight is a technique used to address class imbalance by assigning different weights to each class during training. The idea is to give more weight to the minority class and less weight to the majority class.

    Key Considerations 1. Class weight calculation: Weights can be calculated based on class frequency or other heuristics. 2. Hyperparameter tuning: Class weights can be tuned as hyperparameters during model training. 3. Evaluation metrics: Metrics like F1-score, precision, and recall are often used to evaluate model performance on imbalanced datasets.

    Techniques 1. Oversampling: Oversampling the minority class to balance the dataset. 2. Undersampling: Undersampling the majority class to balance the dataset. 3. SMOTE: Synthetic Minority Over-sampling Technique (SMOTE) generates synthetic samples of the minority class.

    Applications 1. Fraud detection: Imbalanced learning is crucial in fraud detection, where the minority class (fraudulent transactions) is often much smaller than the majority class (legitimate transactions). 2. [5/11, 1:41 PM] Meta AI: Imbalanced learning refers to the challenge of training machine learning models on datasets where the classes are not represented equally. This can lead to biased models that perform well on the majority class but poorly on the minority class.

    Class Weight Class weight is a technique used to address class imbalance by assigning different weights to each class during training. The idea is to give more weight to the minority class and less weight to the majority class.

    Key Considerations 1. Class weight calculation: Weights can be calculated based on class frequency or other heuristics. 2. Hyperparameter tuning: Class weights can be tuned as hyperparameters during model training. 3. Evaluation metrics: Metrics like F1-score, precision, and recall are often used to evaluate model performance on imbalanced datasets.

    Techniques 1. Oversampling: Oversampling the minority class to balance the dataset. 2. Undersampling: Undersampling the majority class to balance the dataset. 3. SMOTE: Synthetic Minority Over-sampling Technique (SMOTE) generates synthetic samples of the minority class.

    Applications 1. Fraud detection: Imbalanced learning is crucial in fraud detection, where the minority class (fraudulent transactions) is often much smaller than the majority class (legitimate transactions). 2. Medical diagnosis: Imbalanced learning can be applied to medical diagnosis, where the minority class (diseased patients) may be much smaller than the majority class (healthy patients).

    Would you like to know more about imbalanced learning or class weight?







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