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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43800153

Hacker News上的一篇帖子讨论了一个最近解决的已有125年历史的物理学难题,该难题统一了三个理论。原文链接来自《科学美国人》,并分享了一个提供背景信息的Reddit帖子。评论者们讨论了这篇论文的意义和可及性,其中一位用户链接到了其中一位作者的演讲。有人担心将相对论力学与流体力学统一起来由于粒子产生/湮灭而面临的挑战。文章还提供了存档链接和arXiv链接。讨论围绕着arXiv预印本与同行评审出版物的作用展开,强调了同行评审在验证正确性和发现错误方面的重要性,尤其是在预印本依赖性日益增长的背景下。一些人认为同行评审提供了必要的有效性检查,而另一些人则认为arXiv主要用于确立优先权,即使绕过了正式的质量控制。总体而言,人们重视这一最新的研究突破,但同时也强调了科学界持续不断的争论和严格验证的必要性。


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Mathematicians just solved a 125-year-old problem, uniting 3 theories in physics (scientificamerican.com)
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There’s a Reddit thread that provides useful context to this, what it is and the scope: https://www.reddit.com/r/math/s/OD0Jy9Rdns


A talk on it by one of the authors

https://www.simonsfoundation.org/video/yu-deng-the-hilbert-s...

I couldn't get an idea of what they did from TFA because it explains they derived a continuum model from a particle model by considering the particle number going to infinity and their size going to zero... which sounds a bit like a continuum



Nice, but uniting Newtonian physics with Navier-Stokes equations is „easy“.

It is much more difficult to do the same and unite relativistic mechanics with relativistic fluid mechanics. The fact that in relativity you have to deal with particle creation and annihilation makes the issue much much harder, because particle number is not conserved and it is difficult to define probability densities if the particle number is not constant. And in addition each particle has its own proper time, so a standard phase space does‘t exist. It might well be that the idea of point-particles and relativity are in some sense incompatible even at the classical level.







The article does a wonderful job in providing context for the proof.

I really enjoyed the clear descriptions of the three scales.



It's interesting how so many important papers are always on arxiv first. it makes me wonder what purpose peer reviews serves. I think also, this is to help establish priority over the result. So getting it up on arxiv is like a timestamp to avoid someone else deriving it at the same time and getting credit by having it published first.


The purpose of the (pre-print) arChive is to allow for a wider circulation during review. That many today simply leave their stuff on Arxiv without publishing is arguably a bit of “cargoculting”, as it signals legitimacy without any quality control.


Peer review is important for checking the correctness of the results, among other things. It's not uncommon to find big errors; small mistakes are everywhere.


Peer review is of utmost importance. Any researcher can make mistakes. I can read papers and apply them, but I need expert opinion to trust the papers. I am not skilled enough in any but my specialties.

I do see papers with outlandish claims and very weak support. This kind of excessively bold statement I see in many papers is a red flag for me.



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