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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43676254

这个Hacker News的讨论帖探讨了Llama社区许可证是否真正“开放”,以及用户是否真正遵守它。 lolinder认为,“权重与源码”的争论忽略了一个更大的问题:即使拥有完整的源代码,该许可证也只使Llama成为“源码可用”,而非完全的开源或自由软件。 NoahZuniga指出build.nvidia.com上可能存在许可证违规行为,因为缺少明显的署名。 Wrs提出一个问题:由于缺乏人类创作,模型权重是否甚至具有版权,这意味着使用该模型并不自动构成对许可证的同意。法律诉讼将代价高昂。 Ronsor同意这种观点,他认为模型权重不具有版权,许可证主要保护Meta免受责任。 讨论强调了围绕Llama许可证和模型权重开源状态的模糊性和潜在违规行为。作者最初发布的帖子并没有获得关注。


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You're Probably Breaking the Llama Community License (victor.earth)
14 points by mkl 1 hour ago | hide | past | favorite | 5 comments










This is why I've always considered the weights-vs-source debate to be an enormous red herring that skips the far more important question: are the weights actually "Open" in the first place?

If Llama released everything that the most zealous opponents of weights=source demand they release under the same license that they're currently offering the weights under, we'd still be left with something that falls cleanly into the category of Source Available. It's a generous Source Available, but removes many of the freedoms that are part of both the Open Source and Free Software Definitions.



The post states:

> One example where this requirement wasn't violated, is on build.nvidia.com

But built with llama isn't shown prominently, so this is actually an example of a violation of the license.



AFAIK it’s still an open question whether there is any copyright in model weights, for various reasons including the lack of human authorship. Which would mean that if you didn’t separately and explicitly agree to the license by clicking through something, there is no basis for the “by using this model” agreement.

Of course you probably don’t have enough money to get a ruling on this question, just wanted to point out that (afaik) it is up for debate.



I'm in the "model weights aren't copyrightable" camp myself. I think the license exists largely to shield Meta from liability or the actions of third parties.


This was posted by the author a couple of weeks ago, but didn't get any traction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43504429






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