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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43694877

Hacker News 的讨论围绕着 OpenAI 创建社交网络的想法展开。一些人认为这是 OpenAI 收集 AI 训练数据的一种方式,尤其是在其他平台越来越保护其数据的情况下。另一些人推测这是 Sam Altman 和 Elon Musk 之间持续竞争的一部分,或许是受到 Grok 在 X(前身为 Twitter)成功的影响。 许多评论者对另一个社交网络的价值表示怀疑,尤其如果它只是简单地复制了现有问题,例如垃圾邮件、机器人和低质量内容。一些人建议专注于 AI 驱动的过滤,以创造更以人为本的体验。另一些人则建议采用新颖的方法,例如由大型语言模型 (LLM) 驱动的群聊,或类似 DeviantArt/Tumblr 的平台,创作者通过高质量内容训练 AI 来获得补偿。讨论还涉及到构建社交网络是否值得 OpenAI 使用其资源,考虑到他们的核心使命。


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OpenAI is building a social network? (theverge.com)
38 points by noleary 5 hours ago | hide | past | favorite | 29 comments










>One idea behind the OpenAI social prototype, we’ve heard, is to have AI help people share better content. “The Grok integration with X has made everyone jealous,” says someone working at another big AI lab. “Especially how people create viral tweets by getting it to say something stupid.”

This would be a decent PR stunt, but would such a platform offer anything of value?

It might be more valuable to set AI to the task of making the most human social platform out there. Right now, Facebook, TikTok, Reddit, etc. are all rife with bots, spam, and generative AI junk. Finding good content in this sea of noise is becoming increasingly difficult. A social media platform that uses AI to filter out spam, bots, and other AI with the goal of making human content easy to access might really catch on. Set a thief to catch thieves.

Who are we kidding. It's going to be Will Smith eating spaghetti all the way down.



No, nothing of value. If you ever want to lose faith in the future of humanity search "@grok" on Twitter and look at all the interactions people have with it. Just total infantilism, people needing tl;drs spoon-fed to them, needing summarization and one-word answers because they don't want to read, arguing with it or whining to Musk if they don't get the answer they want to confirm what they already believe.


the worst is like a dozen people in the replies to a post asking Grok the exact same obvious follow-up question. Somehow, having access to an LLM has completely annihilated these commenters' ability to scroll down 50 pixels.


I think a social network is not necessarily a timeline-based product, but an LLM-native/enabled group chat can probably be a very interesting product. Remember, ChatGPT itself is already a chat.






Is this just a data play? Need more data. Start a social network. Own said data.


Is making yet another twitter clone really the way to build a path towards super-intelligence? A worthy use of the organization's talent?


Collecting millions of people’s thoughts and interactions with each other IS probably on the path to better LLMs at least.


What else are they going to spend billions on to turn a profit?


It'd be cool to see Google+ resurrected with OpenAI branding. Google+ was actually a pretty well designed social network


that would be cool, google+ was very unique and i was kinda sad google killed it off


I don't believe it was well designed, it felt clunky to use, concepts weren't intuitive enough to understand after a few uses.

I tried to use it for a few months after release, always got frustrated to the point I didn't feel like reaching out to friends to be part of it.

The absurd annoyance of its marketing, pushing it into every nook and cranny of Google's products was the nail in the coffin. I'm starting to feel as annoyed by the push with Gemini, it just keeps popping up at annoying times when I want to do my work.



Not well designed enough to live, though.


what did you like about it?


With all the other social networks trying to keep their data private because they all want to try their own AIs, it makes sense that OpenAI would want to have its own social network that wouldn't charge them for the data. I still doubt they actually launch it.


Aren't they unprofitable enough already?


A 4chan but images can be prompt generated? Makes sense. Everything's going back to early 2000s, it seems.


I've always thought that the social networks like X and BlueSky are sort of like the distributed consciousness of society. It is what society, as a whole / in aggregate, is currently thinking about and knowing its ebbs and flows and what it responds to are important if you want to have up to date AI.

So yeah, AI integrated with a popular social network is valuable.



Social networks tend to reflect the character of their founders. Do you really want to see what Sam Altman can do?


Make sure to hide your little sisters from it.


> Social networks tend to reflect the character of their founders.

I would say "owners" rather than "founders", but I agree with you. I think Sam Altman's couldn't be worse than Elon Musk's X, no?



Both are founders of a so-called non-profit and are suing each other. Their legal arguments are public at this point. By reading them, one may understand that it's hard to choose between 'yes' and 'no' as an answer. Maybe, we could request and take into account the opinion of what they 'created' that might outlast them and their conflict, namely AI.


I don't use X neither. Looks like it won't be around for much longer anyway, except as American Pravda (even though "Truth" Social already exists).


This is just part of the ongoing feud between Sama and Musk.


They should use their resources to make OpenAI good at coding.


I would try to make a platform like Deviantart or Tumblr except OpenAI pays you to make good content that the AI is trained on.


Nice in theory but don’t know how practical it is to actually do.

How do you define “good”? Theres obvious examples at the extremes but a chasm of ambiguity between them.

How do you compute value? If an AI takes 200 million images to train, wait let me write that out to get a better sense of the number:

200,000,000

Then what is the value of 1 image to it? Is it worth the 3 hours of human labour time put into creating it? Is it worth 1 hour of human labour time? Even at minimum wage? No, right?



Sam got a jawline lift, anyone noticed?






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