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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43680367

Hacker News 上的一篇讨论围绕着一篇文章展开,该文章提倡使用 SSH 证书而非 SSH 密钥来提高可扩展性。一位评论者指出,现代 SSH 配置允许在登录时动态获取密钥,简化了分布式密钥管理。一些用户分享了他们在组织中使用(或未使用)SSH 证书的经验。人们对 SSH 证书的采用率有限(尽管其具有优势)表示担忧,一位用户指出大多数人从未见过有人使用它们。其他人指出这篇文章是 Infisical SSH 证书服务的广告,强调需要一个开源的短时证书颁发解决方案。讨论还涉及到其他的替代方案,例如 Vault 和 Tailscale SSH,并指出 Infisical 可能正在发展超越密钥管理的业务。一位评论者将 Infisical 比作 Teleport,但缺少日志记录和远程基础设施功能。

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    SSH Keys Don't Scale. SSH Certificates Do (infisical.com)
    18 points by dangtony98 2 hours ago | hide | past | favorite | 6 comments










    If you need easy distributed key management, modern SSH makes this fairly straightforward with some config values. It supports executing a program to get the SSH key at login time, dynamically. This way you can still maintain local certificates for fallback, and you can plug into anything. For example in the past I wrote a simple golang based app that loaded all of the SSH pubkeys from my organizations github, for users in a specific team.


    I would love to ask you lovely HN people, assuming you actually use SSH for work:

    - does you organization use ssh certs?

    - how big is the org? ("I know most IT", or "it's impossible to know the whole IT"?)

    - were you the ones that proposed and implemented that change? :)

    SSH certs make so much sense and I know about them for a long time. Yet never implemented that approach - we had at most 2 people that were actually interested. And now for me everything is http API's and oauth, so I don't need it any more. I wonder what are reasons orgs don't use ssh certs by default.



    I have never met anyone who used certs with ssh, despite being the obvious choice.

    But since apparently ssh is now obsolete (as I was told here a week ago or so) maybe it makes no difference.



    It's just an ad for their SSH cert service...

    I feel like for SSH certs to expand beyond large companies, there's the need for an open-source service which does the issuing of short-lived certs after a user authenticates. I know smallstep, but their offer feels open-core/freemium.



    I was curious if Infisical would eventually turn into Vault (i.e., move beyond pure secret management), and this appears to be the first step in that direction. Granted, the onboarding/usage steps in the article are dramatically simplified compared to Vault.

    We used to use a method that was identical to this using Vault. Even wrote our own mini-CLI with a similar usage pattern. However, nowadays, we rely on Tailscale SSH (with a break-glass key) and have never really felt the need for an alternative.



    This seems kind of like teleport without the logging and remote infrastructure.






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