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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43632828

Hacker News 上的一篇文章讨论了 CERN 关于未来环形对撞机 (FCC) 的可行性报告。评论者们就该项目的价值展开了辩论,一些人质疑鉴于 LHC 在希格斯玻色子之后发现有限,该项目是否有可能取得突破性发现。 Elashri 建议阅读报告的第一卷,特别是第二章的前四节,以了解 FCC 背后的物理论证。Teekert 提到了 Sabine Hossenfelder 的一篇质疑性评论,质疑 FCC 是否能够证明或推翻现有的理论。 Jameskilton 由于 LHC 被认为除了希格斯粒子之外没有取得重大发现而表示怀疑,而 refulgentis 则认为除了新的粒子发现之外,还有许多重大发现。他们也对 Hossenfelder 的观点提出了质疑,并承诺会给出更详细的解释。


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CERN releases report on the feasibility of a possible Future Circular Collider (home.cern)
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Before discussions go into some generic direction about the field. This is a huge feasibility study contain different aspects done by hundreds of people. People who are mostly interested about the physics case of FCC should read/skim at least through the first volume [1], second chapter (Specificities of the FCC physics case) the first four sections. This is about 35 pages with somehow accessible language to people with some physics knowledge.

I would also be happy to answer questions.

[1] https://cds.cern.ch/record/2928193



Sabine is skeptical [0]. Is it really true that there a no theories that are proven or dicarded with this experiment, and that the Chinese have plans to do it much faster? Her video is pretty damning.

[0] https://backreaction.blogspot.com/2025/04/why-cerns-new-coll...



The utter lack of significant discoveries at the LHC after the Higgs (2012!) is a pretty telling sign. Any bigger collider is riding purely on the hope that something will make the effort worth while.


There's been plenty of significant discoveries, many, many. (hadrons, consistent standard model discrepancies are really big news, those weren't expected)

There hasn't been a significant new particle discovery, but none was expected, as far back as 2006 when I was still screwing around in graduate physics.

FWIW, the contrarian line back then was LHC was a waste of time and money because we already knew the Higgs boson must exist and we could probably just let Fermilab futz around with upgrades and better detection and find it anyway.



Sabine is something other-than a good source on how physicists actually think about things at this point, unfortunately.

It's not true at all.

I'll come back and write some up over the next 20 minutes.



I look forward to it. I listened to her a lot recently because YouTube decided ever “next video” bump while I drove should be her.






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