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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43643498

2013年Hacker News上的一篇文章引发了关于孩子技术能力下降的讨论。一位评论者认为移动设备阻碍了学习,并预测随着老一代人的退休,程序员将会短缺。另一位评论者分享了他们儿子在Minecraft和YouTube的启发下,自主探索电脑的故事,最终实现了Windows XP虚拟化和系统实验,这突显了这类兴趣的特殊性。还有评论者指出Librem 5和Pinephone可以提供帮助。有人注意到,由于笔记本电脑和平板电脑的普及,计算机科学专业的学生缺乏基本的鼠标操作技能。有人质疑这篇文章在2013年的相关性,但其他人则认为这个话题仍然很重要,并特别提出了关于一般计算机知识的问题。另一个反驳观点则质疑几十年以前有多少人知道这个问题的答案。

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    Kids can't use computers and this is why it should worry you (2013) (coding2learn.org)
    25 points by ahamez 43 minutes ago | hide | past | favorite | 10 comments










    >Mobile has killed technical competence. We now all carry around computers that pretend to be mobile phones or tablets

    To me this is a thing, I wonder how may kids out there hack their Computers if they even have one.

    In spite of AI, I expect a huge shortage of real programmers in 10 years or so and the teenagers of the 90s start retiring.



    I have a hypothesis that the proportion of really nerdy kids that take to technology hasn't changed and it was always a subset of society. People with affinity for understanding their computer and that find technical concepts natural may just be the oddballs.

    My son has found his way to it from watching youtube videos on history of computer viruses. I think it's the path from Minecraft, Minecraft hacks, Minecraft mods....

    He recently asked me if we could install windows xp on virtual box like one of the youtuber he watches did. So we set that up. He has been watching youtube about secret features, testing them out and found out what happens when you delete random file in system32. He doesn't get why none of his friends understand anything he says to them about this stuff. In his mind he wonder why aren't they all watching this stuff? I had to explain he's got some pretty niche hobbies even by my standards.



    This is why projects like Librem 5 and Pinephone as so important. Give one to your kid it they will learn computing.


    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6186730

    HN thread last time this was posted (12-ish years ago)

    things are worse now, I presume.



    You mean "first time" right? The last time this was posted was 3 months ago, posted 19 times total since 2013 if I counted correctly


    Anecdote from a friend who teaches a CS course at local university - kids these days arrive at a CS course not knowing how to use a mouse. Well, they obviously understand a concept of a mouse, but actually having experience with using a mouse? None, unless they are a gamer(which tbf, a lot of CS students are). But they get put on a computer in a lab with a mouse and keyboard and some of them genuienly struggle with the mouse. The explanation is simple - desktops are nearly extinct in homes unless you play games(and even then, it's a rare choice), so people have laptops and just use the touchpad as the default method of interaction.


    Ah yes, an article from 2013. "It was a different time."


    What has changed related to the topic? Can kids learn computers easily today? (No)


    I do not know.

    I think all they are taught is Microsoft Office and Adobe products. How many kids/teenagers know what 0x20 is these days without doing a WEB search ?



    How many kids/teenagers knew this 20-30 years ago? Less than 5%?






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