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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43635296

Anthropic推出了200美元的Claude“Max”套餐,引发了关于其与现有Pro套餐和竞争对手相比的价值主张的讨论。用户质疑Anthropic营销中“更多使用量”和模型细节的模糊性,并将其与Cloudflare免费层的“诱饵和转换”策略相比较。 一些用户报告说Claude 3.7的能力下降,并经常出现宕机和“过载”错误,导致订阅取消。人们担心Claude能否在编码和推理方面与OpenAI的模型竞争。虽然Anthropic声称他们的模型可以同时处理这两者,而无需单独的“推理”版本,但一些用户发现Claude缺乏深入的研究能力。 讨论还涉及到与Gemini 2.5和GPT Pro的比较,用户权衡了每个模型在不同任务中的优缺点。讨论还涉及到像Cursor这样的AI驱动工具的经济性,用户对Anthropic的网络应用质量和支持的体验褒贬不一。

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    Anthropic launches its own $200 plan (anthropic.com)
    49 points by nanfinitum 1 hour ago | hide | past | favorite | 22 comments










    I use the free model and API, when I look at the pricing page I see (for the extant $20 Pro plan)

        - More usage
        - Access to Projects to organize chats and documents
        - Ability to use more Claude models
        - Extended thinking for complex work
    
    What does "more usage" mean? It doesn't say anywhere what the free tier usage limits are. What are "more" models? It also doesn't make clear what models are available with each tier (except for "extended thinking" which is a separate bullet point)

    The only thing I can reason is that they want to keep this vague so that they don't have to update their marketing copy each time they update their offerings, but that's absurd.



    > It doesn't say anywhere what the free tier usage limits are.

    Ah, I see they've been to the Cloudflare school of free tier bait-and-switching.



    can you elaborate you mean CF workers or the pro plans?


    I mean how CF has advertises "unlimited bandwidth" on their free and flat-rate paid plans, which abruptly turns into not-unlimited pay-per-gigabyte if they decide you're using it too much, but you're not allowed to know where that line is so you can plan around it. It's a fun surprise where they suddenly ask you to pay 10x more out of nowhere.




    5x what though? Even if we assume this is the true figure, everyone who uses Claude regularly knows that usage limits fluctuate over the course of days and weeks.


    I already had to go through so many hoops to sign up for a teams account for 5 separate accounts for myself, I wonder if this will be any better or not. At least if one account starts getting dumb or somehow runs out of context, I can just switch, but if something goes wrong and your $200 account exponentially loses context, then you are stuck waiting. Anyone have any idea of the actual differences?


    Bold to launch this before the roll out their own reasoning models / deep research. Seems like table stakes if you want to capture power users but maybe that's just my workflow.


    Anthropic have recently said that they don't like the "reasoning" label and don't intend to have separate base and reasoning models, but rather one model that does it all. The current Claude 3.7 already seems to be doing some reasoning, displaying "pondering" and "analyzing" messages between different stages of output generation.


    Regardless of naming, they don't have a model competitive with o1 Pro for coding (or with Gemini 2.5, for that matter). As someone who pays $200/month for GPT Pro I definitely wouldn't pay the same for Claude (and am considering cancelling GPT Pro if they don't deliver something better than Gemini 2.5 soon).


    Gemini 2.5 is awesome, but when it screws the pooch, it really screws the pooch (e.g., https://gemini.google.com/share/374ac006497d ). It has delivered some of the best responses I've seen lately but also some of the worst.

    I have been tempted several times to kill my GPT Pro account, but it is still valuable for cases where Gemini and Claude don't get the job done for whatever reason.



    Their reasoning is called "extending thinking". It was released alongside Claude Sonnet 3.7.

    They have web search, but it's true, no "deep research". It honestly is not very good and it's WAY too trigger-happy with it. As a result, if you accidentally leave it on, you get terrible answers to simple questions that non-search mode would have answered well.

    (And for context Claude Sonnet 3.7 is my model of choice)



    They already have a reasoning model out. I don't think deep research is on the agenda atm.


    A bit off-topic, but I wonder when Cursor is going to see a massive price increase. I've tried Aider (granted, this was when GPT4 prices were still much higher) and spent $10 in one hour easily. Now I use cursor a LOT (100h focussed programming time per month) and mostly stay within my $20 monthly fee. I think they must be losing money on customers like me.


    At last. I honestly think the product engineering org at Anthropic has serious issues. They are slow to ship, and quality of the webapp has been decidedly mixed in the past 6 months. Some of the UX decisions they've made are bone-headed.

    (OpenAI launched their pro plan 4 months ago!)



    I just assumed most people at this point are using a client.


    It is hardly better though. Aside from MCP support (with rather poor UX, just compare it with anything else out there) it really has nothing to offer.


    The email subject line was "We heard you: Introducing the new Max plan for more Claude usage".

    What the hell?



    I have been a heavy user of Claude but cancelled my Pro subscription yesterday. The usage limits have been quietly tightened up like crazy recently and 3.7 is certainly feeling dumber lately.

    But the main reason I quit is the constant downtime. Their status page[0] is like a Christmas tree but even that only tells half the story - the number of times I have input a query only to have Claude sit, think for a while then stop and return nothing as if I had never submitted at all is getting ridiculous. I refuse to pay for this kind of reliability.

    [0] https://status.anthropic.com/



    Can confirm. As an API user, "overloaded" errors have been happening pretty often lately.


    They are a bit of ripoff, especially cli thing. It will hallucinate tons of things, add things that break code and then you pay again (quite a lot) to fix it.


    Lol. The best they can propose for 200 is "not throttling"






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