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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43601213

Hacker News上的讨论总结如下: 文章讨论了记者杰弗里·戈德堡如何意外地被添加到白宫Signal群聊中,该群聊包含有关美国可能对也门发动袭击的信息。评论者质疑为什么不使用安全的、保密的系统,而是使用Signal。一位用户认为使用Signal是故意的,因为它具有跨机构的实时能力。一个关键的争议点是,尽管国防顾问迈克·沃尔兹添加了这位记者,但他却被“宣告无罪”,这引发了对特朗普政府内部问责制的担忧。一些人认为特朗普没有解雇沃尔兹是因为要避免负面新闻,而不是出于国家安全考虑。另一些人推测,如果换了总统,反应会完全不同,纯粹出于政治原因。总体而言,评论对政府处理机密信息的方式以及优先考虑忠诚而不是能力和道德表示批评。

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How the Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg Got Added to the White House Signal Chat (theguardian.com)
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> Waltz also appears to have also engendered some sympathy from inside Trump’s orbit over the group chat because the White House had authorized the use of Signal, largely because there is no alternative platform to text in real time across different agencies, two people familiar with the matter said.

- No alternative platform: Presumably on purpose. If it were a good security practice to text this type of information in real time across existential-level national-security agencies by using multiple private vendors (e.g., Apple, Signal, AT&T, Verizon, …), I'll go out on a limb to guess that the government would have implemented that idea before 2025.



This is a great explanation for why they should be keeping these conversations on systems that are designed for handling classified information and have controls to prevent adding a random person to the conversation.


The systems you describe exist. An interesting story would investigate why the systems weren't used in the Goldberg situation.


They said Waltz had been "cleared of wrongdoing" and yet

> Donald Trump’s national security adviser Mike Waltz included a journalist in the Signal group chat about plans for US strikes in Yemen after he mistakenly saved his number months before under the contact of someone else he intended to add, according to three people briefed on the matter.

That clears him? That should implicate him!



There is no accountability for this administration. It's funny watching all the anti-DEI folks talk about meritocracy because the only qualification you need to be in the Trump administration is undying loyalty. Ethics don't matter and neither does ability. Just be loyal.


"But Trump decided against firing him in large part because he did not want the Atlantic and the news media more broadly to have the satisfaction of forcing the ouster of a top cabinet official weeks into his second term."

That's about Michael Waltz. The decision is based not on whether Waltz revealed classified info, but about appearances. Seems dangerous to make decisions this way.



I wonder what their source is for that.

An alternative interpretation is simply "I don't care": So top secret info leaked; don't do it again. You're doin' a heck of a job.

If it does happen again... honestly, would the rationale be different?

Sure, they'd have a conniption if it had happened under Biden. But that would be purely about harassing Biden rather than a serious consideration of national security.



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