尼克·凯夫对ChatGPT诗歌的看法(2023)
Nick Cave's thoughts on a ChatGPT poem (2023)

原始链接: https://www.theredhandfiles.com/chat-gpt-what-do-you-think/

尼克·凯夫回应了马克用AI生成的“尼克·凯夫风格”歌曲,表达了他对这项技术的深深不安。他承认AI的潜力,但批评了它在艺术创作中的固有限制。他认为AI生成的艺术不过是复制,缺乏滋养真正艺术表达的真实痛苦和内心挣扎。凯夫强调,伟大的艺术并非模仿,而是自我毁灭,突破自身的局限,而这对于缺乏人类经验的算法来说是不可能的。他认为真正的创造力需要脆弱,需要直面自身的缺点,需要能够从这种挣扎中提供超越性的体验。他总结说,AI只能模仿人类的旅程,无法创造真正的联系或意义。虽然欣赏马克的举动,但凯夫最终认为这首AI生成的歌曲是“垃圾”,只有一句歌词引起了他的共鸣:“我眼中燃烧着地狱之火”——他将其归因于他对ChatGPT的挫败感。

Hacker News上关于Nick Cave对ChatGPT诗歌评论的讨论主要围绕着Cave对ChatGPT生成的诗歌的批评展开。Cave认为,真正的艺术创作,尤其是在歌曲创作方面,源于痛苦和内心的挣扎,这是基于数据的算法无法复制的。评论者diggan解读Cave的言论意味着痛苦是创作真实艺术的先决条件,这可能会否定那些没有经历过重大苦难的艺术家的作品。Diggan对这种观点感到不安,认为这种观点对音乐家来说可能是不健康的。另一位评论者jdmoreira则将Cave的观点斥为“逃避现实”(copium),暗示这是一种应对AI对艺术构成威胁的方式。该讨论线程突出了关于人类经验,特别是痛苦,在创作有意义的艺术中的作用以及AI生成内容的意义的持续争论。
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  • 原文

    Dear Mark,

    Since its launch in November last year many people, most buzzing with a kind of algorithmic awe, have sent me songs ‘in the style of Nick Cave’ created by ChatGPT. There have been dozens of them. Suffice to say, I do not feel the same enthusiasm around this technology. I understand that ChatGPT is in its infancy but perhaps that is the emerging horror of AI – that it will forever be in its infancy, as it will always have further to go, and the direction is always forward, always faster. It can never be rolled back, or slowed down, as it moves us toward a utopian future, maybe, or our total destruction. Who can possibly say which? Judging by this song ‘in the style of Nick Cave’ though, it doesn’t look good, Mark. The apocalypse is well on its way. This song sucks.

    What ChatGPT is, in this instance, is replication as travesty. ChatGPT may be able to write a speech or an essay or a sermon or an obituary but it cannot create a genuine song. It could perhaps in time create a song that is, on the surface, indistinguishable from an original, but it will always be a replication, a kind of burlesque.

    Songs arise out of suffering, by which I mean they are predicated upon the complex, internal human struggle of creation and, well, as far as I know, algorithms don’t feel. Data doesn’t suffer. ChatGPT has no inner being, it has been nowhere, it has endured nothing, it has not had the audacity to reach beyond its limitations, and hence it doesn’t have the capacity for a shared transcendent experience, as it has no limitations from which to transcend. ChatGPT’s melancholy role is that it is destined to imitate and can never have an authentic human experience, no matter how devalued and inconsequential the human experience may in time become.

    What makes a great song great is not its close resemblance to a recognizable work. Writing a good song is not mimicry, or replication, or pastiche, it is the opposite. It is an act of self-murder that destroys all one has strived to produce in the past. It is those dangerous, heart-stopping departures that catapult the artist beyond the limits of what he or she recognises as their known self. This is part of the authentic creative struggle that precedes the invention of a unique lyric of actual value; it is the breathless confrontation with one’s vulnerability, one’s perilousness, one’s smallness, pitted against a sense of sudden shocking discovery; it is the redemptive artistic act that stirs the heart of the listener, where the listener recognizes in the inner workings of the song their own blood, their own struggle, their own suffering. This is what we humble humans can offer, that AI can only mimic, the transcendent journey of the artist that forever grapples with his or her own shortcomings. This is where human genius resides, deeply embedded within, yet reaching beyond, those limitations.

    It may sound like I’m taking all this a little too personally, but I’m a songwriter who is engaged, at this very moment, in the process of songwriting. It’s a blood and guts business, here at my desk, that requires something of me to initiate the new and fresh idea. It requires my humanness. What that new idea is, I don’t know, but it is out there somewhere, searching for me. In time, we will find each other.

    Mark, thanks for the song, but with all the love and respect in the world, this song is bullshit, a grotesque mockery of what it is to be human, and, well, I don’t much like it — although, hang on!, rereading it, there is a line in there that speaks to me —

    ‘I’ve got the fire of hell in my eyes’

    — says the song ‘in the style of Nick Cave’, and that’s kind of true. I have got the fire of hell in my eyes – and it’s ChatGPT.

    Love, Nick

     

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