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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43492112

Hacker News上的一篇文章《为什么我抵制AI》引发热议。评论者们就作者的立场和AI广泛应用的深远影响展开了辩论。一位用户指出AI的无处不在,甚至iPhone中也存在AI,并将之比作自助结账通道取代收银员的现象,认为这是难以避免的趋势。另一位用户对此表示赞同,回忆了类似的公交售票员失业情况。一些人反对将问题归咎于AI本身的缺陷,他们认为问题在于社会的生产模式和“扯淡工作”。他们认为,如果社会结构进行重组,AI可能是有益的,并引用伯特兰·罗素和约翰·梅纳德·凯恩斯关于技术进步将导致工作减少的预测。一位评论者质疑作者关于MacBook Pro和iPhone是职业认可的必要条件的说法,而其他人则认为这篇文章是“废话”。

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    Why I'm Boycotting AI (unherd.com)
    25 points by wyclif 27 minutes ago | hide | past | favorite | 8 comments










    > I still have not downloaded an AI app of any kind to my phone.

    If he has an iPhone, there’s no need to download it. It’s already there.

    That said, he has some good points.

    Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), we won’t be able to “opt out,” forever. At some point, ML is bound to become endemic.

    It’s like those stupid scan-guns that supermarkets in my area are starting to ask customers to use. They are scan guns that you pick up, as you go in, and scan each purchase. When you check out, you just scan a barcode on the cashier stand, and Bjorn Stronginthearm’s your uncle.

    I refuse to use them, as the only reason they exist, is to fire cashiers.

    Sooner or later, however, I am unlikely to be able to avoid them.



    > I refuse to use them, as the only reason they exist, is to fire cashiers.

    This reminds me of when the bus company of my hometown transitioned to having a driver + cashier to only having a driver that takes cash. Half of the workforce just gone overnight. Of course the writing was on the wall with electronic ticketing, but still.

    It makes me feel I'm part of a "First They Came" situation.



    Yeah, there were voices like this with the advent of trains, electricity, light bulbs, ehm, maybe just everything.


    Leaving aside the question of whether AI is/will ever be actually capable of what tech bros claim, I don't think there is anything inherent to AI that will cause these issues. The problem will be with society's mode of production. We have a society now where people could be doing less work but are instead forced to do—as Graeber calls them—Bullshit Jobs.

    Bertrand Russell and John Maynard Keynes said almost a century ago that as technology advanced people would have to do less work. I think if AI lives up to the hype it could be a tremendous boon for everyone if we can restructure our societies to take advantage.



    > It really would have been social suicide to try to make my way in the 2010s professional class with anything other than a MacBook Pro and an iPhone

    Can someone explain this part? It's not something I can relate to at all. Maybe because I'm not from the US?



    Probably, I was also objecting to that (and also don't live in the US). But I wouldn't read too much into that sentence: it's just part of the author's self-indulgent style.


    It seemed he applied for a job at a place where they judge you on what laptop you carry at the interview. I have seen that attitude in the UK too.


    Seems like drivel.






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