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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410579

Hacker News 上的一篇讨论围绕着特斯拉正在失去对中国电动汽车制造商的市场份额。评论者们强调了中国的优势:强大的基础设施、廉价的劳动力、完善的工厂网络以及对自动化的积极态度。这些因素使得中国在汽车制造领域极具竞争力。一些人认为美国只能通过关税或其他贸易壁垒来竞争,但即便如此,成功可能也仅限于美国市场。一位用户提到了特斯拉在现有车型中延迟采用 800V 架构,并将其与诺基亚过去的失误相提并论。另一条评论则嘲讽了特斯拉在自动驾驶出租车项目上的进展,尽管获得了加州的许可,但这仅仅是初步的一步。总的来说,评论表达了中国在电动汽车制造领域的主导地位日益增强,这对包括特斯拉在内的美国汽车制造商构成了重大挑战。


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Tesla loses ground as Chinese EVs dominate global markets (restofworld.org)
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I hope that Tesla will change its top management asap.

Imagine a situation where you have a new 800V infrastructure already applied to cybertruck and decide to update the Model Y with just “minor” adjustments. Which means that both M3 and MY will get 800V/48V when? 2/3 years minimum.

It recalls me a Nokia moment.

Meanwhile China is running.



China has everything needed for cheap and efficient manufacturing. The design skills, the infrastructure, the cheap labour, the network of factories, etc.

The US does not.

The only reason the US might win at car manufacturing will be if there are sufficient tariffs or other trade barriers. In a free market, China will win.



The US is not going to win at car manufacturing outside the US anymore and right now it's not even clear it will win inside the US or with our closest trading partners. Tariffs are not being wielded effectively to protect US car manufacturing in the US.


It's not even that the labor is as cheap as it used to be but it's generally a very able and willing workforce with a labor structure where there are no qualms with automating parts of the process. The auto manufacturing race has already been lost in my opinion. Nobody is doing it as well or at the same scale as China.


How will US win with trade barriers? With them it can only secure the US market, and even this only provided the entire production chain is located in the US. Because you can forget about exporting goods weighted by trade tariffs - as you can see nobody accepts being tariffed without retaliating. So it can win, if you redefine the word "win".


Hey at least they got their license to run a taxi business in California today. GJ Musk! So close to Robotaxi completion (it will never happen).


They received a CPC permit, which is simply a prerequisite to some of the actual robotaxi permits. Still a long way to go.






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