加里·谭(Garry Tan)希望美国的开源AI实验室也能“提炼”前沿模型。
Garry Tan wants US open-weight AI labs to 'distill' frontier models, too

原始链接: https://techcrunch.com/2026/09/11/y-combinators-garry-tan-wants-u-s-open-weight-ai-labs-to-distill-frontier-models-too/

Y Combinator 首席执行官加里·陈(Garry Tan)正抵制有关监管人工智能“蒸馏”(distillation)的呼声。蒸馏是指利用前沿模型来训练较小模型的技术。尽管 Anthropic 等公司警告称,中国实验室正在利用非法蒸馏手段规避安全限制,但陈认为监管机构不应介入此事。 陈主张建立一种“美国式蒸馏机制”,鼓励国内的开源权重实验室合法地对前沿模型进行蒸馏,而非实施限制。他认为,前沿模型实验室通过摄取海量公开及受版权保护的人类数据构建了模型,因此不应限制客户如何使用通过 API 提供的智能成果。 陈将此视为制衡企业权力的重要手段。他警告称,真正的“末日情景”是出现一个单极化的未来,即由一家专有公司垄断人工智能领域。陈认为,通过合法的蒸馏技术推广开源权重模型,美国能够培育出一个更具竞争性、多元化且易于访问的人工智能生态系统,从而防止权力过度集中在少数巨头手中。

近期 Hacker News 关于 Garry Tan 号召美国开源人工智能实验室“蒸馏”前沿模型的讨论,反映出一个日益增长的共识:大型人工智能提供商已失去了道德制高点。 许多用户认为,既然像 OpenAI 和 Anthropic 这样的公司是通过未经许可“掠夺式开采”互联网版权数据来构建模型,那么利用这些模型训练更小、更高效版本的“蒸馏攻击”不仅不是非法行为,反而是某种形式的因果报应。这一共识认为,如果原始模型本身就是大规模数据抓取的产物,那么对其输出结果施加专有权限制就是虚伪的表现。 这场辩论还强调了以下几点: * **数据主权:** 许多专业用户对“零留存”承诺持怀疑态度,担心无论用户设置如何,提示词都会被用于训练未来的模型。 * **市场动态:** 批评人士认为,“人工智能实验室”本质上只是利用“实验室”这一称呼来掩盖其商业模式,并推动监管俘获以扼杀竞争。 * **经济现实:** 虽然有些人将蒸馏视为人工智能民主化和防止垄断的必要举措,但另一些人则担心,如果模型可以轻易被克隆,数据创作的长期资金来源将受到威胁。
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When it comes to Chinese AI labs using distillation techniques to extract knowledge from frontier model makers, Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan is hoping regulators stay out of it. In fact, he thinks U.S. AI labs should perhaps play the same game.

“I would do nothing,” he told CNBC in an interview earlier this week. “We could argue that there should be an American distillation regime.”

He elaborated to TechCrunch that this means he wants smaller, American open-weight AI labs to use the same kind of training techniques on American frontier AI labs, giving the U.S. a more robust set of open-weight options that aren’t Chinese.

Distillation is when a model maker extensively prompts another model in order to learn how it works and reasons. It is commonly, and legitimately, used by AI labs to help train new models.

Anthropic this week released its second report alleging that Chinese labs are engaged in “illicit distillation attacks,” hiding their identities to distill without permission and relying on fraud and stolen credentials to do so. Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei had previously publicly called on U.S. regulators to crack down on distillation.

It’s notable that the commander of Silicon Valley’s prestigious and prolific startup accelerator doesn’t agree.

To be clear, Tan isn’t advocating for American AI labs to use stolen credentials to distill. He wants them to be free to come in the front door. In fact, his argument is twofold. He feels it’s an overreach for AI labs to dictate what their customers can do with the information their models share with them.

He also notes that the proprietary AI labs didn’t ask permission when they vacuumed up as much human knowledge as they could to train their models. They famously ingested plenty of copyrighted material without the permission of those intellectual property holders.

“Controlling what users and customers do with API calls to closed weight models feels constraining, and there’s a role government can play here to normalize the fact that access to intelligence that was trained on broad public access data should itself also be more a form of a public good than something locked away behind restrictive terms of service,” he told TechCrunch when asked why American labs should be free to distill, too.

Tan, who is himself such an avid AI user that he once described himself as having cyber psychosis, wants to see a balance between open-weight AI labs and frontier labs.

“They are at the frontier and driving it forward. We want that to be fundable, and be a great business model ongoing,” he told CNBC. “You want open weight models to give people freedom and access.”

To him, the true AI doomer scenario is for all the immense power of frontier AI to wind up in the hands of a single powerful, proprietary provider. “The nightmare scenario, the doomer scenario for AI is that there’s just one company,” he said. “It has the best access to capital. It has the best AI researchers. It runs away with it and suddenly there’s one company that’s monolithic. And that would be bad.”

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