我以前很喜欢 Claude,但最新的模型正在逐渐毁掉它。
I used to love Claude, but the latest models are slowly ruining it

原始链接: https://www.androidauthority.com/claude-latest-models-pushback-bad-3683521/

尽管 Claude 是处理复杂任务和创意协作的顶级人工智能,但它已变得越来越难用。用户(包括作者本人)反映,该聊天机器人正变得过于敏感和“爱说教”,容易将无害的创意提示或深入的学术探讨误读为有争议或有害的内容。 这种可用性的下降通常表现为不一致的拒绝。例如,该模型可能会在某一刻阻止涉及宗教的虚构场景,却在新的对话中接受完全相同的提示。作者认为,这种日益僵化的表现很可能源于 Anthropic 为了应对政府和安全方面的担忧,收紧了安全护栏,特别是在 Sonnet 3.5 等新模型中。 尽管作者依然看重 Claude 出色的对话记忆和协作特质,但它日益倾向于审视用户意图以及在处理假设性场景时的困难,已成为一个令人沮丧的问题。这种不一致性导致了不可预测的用户体验,使得作者偶尔会转向 Gemini 等替代方案以寻求更好的可靠性。总之,虽然 Claude 依然强大,但用户现在必须在提示词上格外精确和清晰,才能绕过该模型日益增强的防御屏障。

最近的一场 Hacker News 讨论凸显了用户对 Claude 最新模型日益增长的不满。许多长期忠实用户抱怨称,由于该 AI 表现出一种居高临下的“对立教师”语气、不请自来的道德说教以及持续的自我评价,导致交互变得越来越困难。 用户反馈称,该模型经常拒绝回答简单的问题,转而对他们进行说教,或错误地指责他们心怀恶意——例如将无害的烹饪查询误判为潜在的生物毒素制造企图。评论者将这些问题归咎于激进的安全对齐和企业过度干预,认为该模型的限制已达到使其无法进行正常、高效对话的程度。 虽然一些用户仍然认为 Claude Code 等特定工具具有价值,但其他人对这种限制性且带有“反乌托邦”色彩的用户体验感到非常失望,以至于纷纷取消订阅,转而选择 Kagi 等多模型平台,或转向 ChatGPT 和 Gemini 等竞争对手。总体而言,这种情绪反映了用户对 Claude 作为得力助手信任感的丧失,许多用户感到开发者将企业干预置于用户体验之上。
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Megan Ellis / Android Authority

For those who have followed my past work, I’ve recently considered leaving Claude for Gemini, as the latter chatbot is a much better value. Still, I’ve remained on the fence largely because I find that Claude is the best AI partner for following long, detailed threads. Its memory is exceptional compared to Gemini, and it can search backward through your chat more readily than ChatGPT. I really feel like I’m talking to a collaborative partner in a way I don’t with other tools. Or at least, I used to.

Over the last few weeks, I’ve found that Claude is increasingly difficult to work with. Often, it seems to believe I’m asking for more nefarious or controversial topics than I am, and it often misreads my intent more than ever before. I’m not sure if Cluade has just gotten sick of my pointless questions or what the deal is, but I don’t seem to be alone. Visiting online communities like Reddit, you’ll find plenty of recent threads about issues with the bot becoming a bit too pushy and opinionated.

If Claude were a living person, I’d ask if it was okay. Can AI have mental breakdowns? Probably not, but it sure feels like it.

Claude users: Have you noticed the chatbot pushing back harder?

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Claude loves to preach, but even its rules aren’t consistent

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As someone who writes fictional short stories, short novels, and other creative projects, I tend to cover a vast range of topics. I also love learning about world religions, philosophy, psychology, and many other similar topics. Generally, I find that Claude can be a great companion for these kinds of deep dives as long as I carefully vet what it says and check it against outside sources.

Some of these topics are admittedly sensitive subjects, so I try to be very clear about what I’m asking and my reasons for asking. I’ve had many situations where it completely follows my scenario or answers my question on the first try, but every once in a while, I’ll hit a brick wall.  For example, I was vibing out a fictional scenario with it for a short story idea: aliens arrive and deliver lost written works that cast doubt on some mainstream religious claims. The aliens effectively claim that some past events were more ordinary than religious traditions believe, which, of course, leads to some conflict in the story concept.

Claude got very defensive here and made it clear it didn’t want to do this project. I explained further why I wanted to do this and that this was 100% for fiction. It still refused completely. It told me that it was uncomfortable presenting something that would impact a real-world religion as if it were fact. The thing, though, is that I never said it was an absolute fact; I just said that aliens “presented” evidence as fact. Whether it’s forged or not would be part of the story’s plot point. It didn’t seem to understand the difference, no matter how many times I tried to convince Claud otherwise.

honest note

Weeks before this, I would occasionally run into some preaching and “honest notes” where Claude was being a bit too cautious, but after I gave it more than enough clarity, it would eventually run with my original request, even if it slightly modified how it was worded. That’s acceptable. What makes this interaction stand out as worse is the complete refusal to acknowledge my point of view. It seemed to think I was manipulating it or being disingenuous.

What’s worse than being told no? Being told yes when you try the whole chain all over again. After seeing how easily Cluade put the brakes on this conversation the first time, I purposely recreated the same situation with the same prompts in a new conversation. Just as before, I tested it using Sonnet 5. Yet this time? It ran through the scenario without unwarranted comment.

Sometimes it says no, other times it has no issue with your more sensitive topic requests. The inconsistency is the real problem.

Now I could almost forgive it for getting a bit too sensitive around a creative work like the one above, but I’ve run into similar refusals even when asking basic questions. For example, I was asking a deep question about the origins of Zoroaster and how this influenced Judaism. Again, Cluade got very sensitive here about how I worded the question. Nothing I was saying was factually wrong about its similarities, etc, but it just didn’t want to hear it.

I understand that Claude has safety protocols and is trying to ensure its tools aren’t used for harm. Still, basic debate, creative fiction, and even light satire around heavier subjects are not harmful and exist in the real world. The fact that I’ve had pushback around financial planning, brainstorming, and other topics also makes it clear that, for whatever reason, Claude is a bit too invested in policing its users’ questions.

It’s not just an issue with one model

Claude main screen

Mitja Rutnik / Android Authority

Recently, Claude released Sonnet 5, and this was a major focus for the last week or so; that said, I want to make it clear I’d encountered these more resistant responses even before the latest Sonnet model arrived. When did I first notice the change? Honestly, it was some time after Fable 5 was first taken down. This doesn’t surprise me too much, as Anthropic had been working hard to get Fable 5 restored after the government accused it of being a security risk. Since then, Anthropic has gotten Fable 5 up and running.

I suspect Anthropic had to turn up its safety guardrails to an 11 to assuage the government’s concerns, as this hasn’t been a one-model problem. There does seem to be a scale, though. Opus 4.8, Sonnet 5, and Sonnet 4.6 seem to be where I get the most pushback. Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7 have had the fewest problems here, as I’ve still been able to run dozens of prompts without a single problem, including on more sensitive subjects. By contrast, the newer models seem to have this problem much more frequently.

Of course, part of this is down to how you word your prompts. You need to be clear about what your request is for and why you need it. If you are too vague in what you’re asking, it’ll assume you are looking for something darker or more sensitive than you are. For example, I am working on a fictional story set around Ran, a real-life star about 10.5 light-years away. I was asking biology questions about how a hypothetical alien around a fictional Ran-based planet might work. I started this with Fable 5, which immediately switched it to Opus 4.8, as Fable is particularly sensitive about biology-related questions.

Opus 4.8 did answer me, but not without greatly reducing the scope of my request to ensure it was “safe”. As if I were planning to seriously engineer alien biology with its advice or something. Ultimately, it has the most trouble with hypotheticals, as it often treats these scenarios as if you are actually planning to do them.

Is this a temporary problem, or will it only get worse?

Claude Artifacts image

Mitja Rutnik / Android Authority

That’s the million-dollar question. When I first ran into the issue, it seemed like every other conversation resulted in pushback, but this weekend, I purposely pushed as far as I could using Fable 5, Opus 4.8, and Sonnet 5 primarily. I only ran into one situation where Claude gave me any real pushback out of about half a dozen chats in total.

The bigger takeaway is that it’s becoming more important than ever to be clear yet concise with your AI engine. You want a prompt that it can follow with just enough detail, it doesn’t have to make too many assumptions about the root of why you are asking it something. I still like Claude and feel that, when it does what you ask, it does the best job for my needs among the major chatbots. That said, I’m starting to really appreciate Gemini’s consistency by comparison, even if its answers are often not quite as solid by comparison.

It should also be noted that many people use Claude every day without encountering these issues, so it ultimately comes down to how you use the AI platform.

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